A player diving into another played legs causing him to fall ove rarely happens
So, was the foul call on Ku's guard correct or not ...
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Because Graham took out a guy who wasn't in the scrum. Seriously. Have burton or someone lose control, hack the knees, and claim it's incidental? We'd win evrry game.
That looked like a baseball player breaking up a double play. It was a foul.
Very different than 2 or more players (on the floor) struggling for control of the ball.
Besides, calls like that don't affect the outcome of the game, do they, Kansas?
Very different than 2 or more players (on the floor) struggling for control of the ball.
Besides, calls like that don't affect the outcome of the game, do they, Kansas?
This. The rule a lot of people were pointing to regarding loose balls says "unintentional" contact is allowed no matter how severe. But there's no way you could say the KU kid diving into the Nova kid's legs was "unintentional". The Nova player was standing right in front of him reaching down for the ball, and the KU player dove and slid into his legs. Nothing unintentional about that contact. Not saying the KU kid was trying to hurt him or take him out, but he had to have known his diving at the ball would initiate contact. That kills the "unintentional" aspect of the rule.
You are correct, but Graham's contact with Hart was not incidental. He undercut him. How is that incidental?
Thanks for all the comments. When I saw it happen live, I knew it was a foul. And then, I was surprised when whats-his-name said it should have been a 'play on.' Clearly, there's no consensus here, so now I feel better.
It wasn't a foul. The red closest didn't call anything. That's why the refs were talking things over bc the idiot who called it had to explain himself. Graham also got hit on the arm and that's the reason he lost the ball. There is some horrible officiating going on throughout the tournament.
Honest question since I'm definitely not a ref, but what's the difference between that play where Graham takes a guy's legs out who is reaching for the loose ball and a play where one guy is going for a rebound and another obviously displaces his body position going for the loose rebound?
The second situation is going to be called a foul most times and not really questioned, but the first situation is being disputed. They are both cases of one player displacing another going for an uncontrolled ball.
The second situation is going to be called a foul most times and not really questioned, but the first situation is being disputed. They are both cases of one player displacing another going for an uncontrolled ball.
Right, just like this guy's guitar was unintentionally broken...
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He didn't go through his legs. He inadvertently tripped him while diving on a loose ball. Unintentional contact during a loose ball is to be ignored by rule. If he dives through someone's legs to go for the ball, that is not unintentional, he knew what he was doing. The trip was an inadvertent result of diving on the ball and, therefore, unintentional. I would not have made that call at ANY point in the game, let alone the point it was made, and let alone it being the player's 5th foul.
And to the people saying it doesn't matter because he travelled, he didn't. Diving on a loose ball and sliding with it is not travelling. It is only travelling if he tries to get up without starting a dribble or rolls over with the ball after completing his slide.
And to the people saying it doesn't matter because he travelled, he didn't. Diving on a loose ball and sliding with it is not travelling. It is only travelling if he tries to get up without starting a dribble or rolls over with the ball after completing his slide.
He dove into the guy and took his leg out. The Nova guy was right in front of him in plain view. Unless the KU player assumed the laws of physics ceased to exist on that court, there's no way you could argue the contact was unintentional.
No he didn't. He dove onto the ball an inadvertently took the guys leg out. I hate KU, but that was a ******** call.
You're going with the theory that Graham dove to take out the player rather than diving for the loose ball and running into the player in the process?
the same reason they don't call a foul every time a defensive player initiates contact, or why they don't call every travel or carrying violation; the games would take forever.
