As if Hoiberg didn't have enough to worry about.....
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At some point, the Bulls players need to shut up and play. It's sad that they can't see themselves that they just aren't very good. Chicago is currently 8th in the East, and as I look at all the teams ahead of them I can't point to any one and say Chicago is more talented than. Next year Chicago will have a new coach but these same players will still ***** and moan.
Just go back to posts when this happened. Its a bad move. The Bulls were trending down in a hurry, and were old, and done for. The NBA isnt a quick fix league. The NBA is one of the few leagues that you could skip the regular season and pretty much guarantee who the final 4 teams are, and usually the top 2. The Bulls will suck for a long time.
The average tenure for a coach in the NBA or any professional league is not long.
Also, it doesn't help that the Chicago media helps fuel this as well. The media in Chicago is extremely critical of non championship caliber teams.
I make a fraction of that and I'm stressed out pretty much all the time....so I'd probably settle for $24mil over 5.
yeah that is the problem. Butler is whiny and entitled now that he is a 'star'. I think him and Wade have become buddies and it is rubbing off on him as well. Butler couldn't get along with other Bulls players last year either and didn't want to work with Fred from the get go.
I think another problem is Fred has zero input as far as the roster and really is just a puppet of the front office. They didn't like Thibs because he didn't listen to him so they wanted to get someone that would do what they told. Thibs made out the best of anyone in this situation.
Totally agree. For some reason they still see this Bulls team as if it should be competing for championships when that is not close to the case. Even last year they had an inflated idea of how good the Bulls should be.
Thread title kind of scared me since I had already seen the Rondo thing. Always will hope the best for him and his family.
These threads are like a cancer.
1. "Things aren't looking good for Fred."
2. "Hope he succeeds but it was obvious he wouldn't going in."
3. "Should have taken the Wolves job."
4. "The NBA sucks. Don't know why he took the job."
5. "If Hoiberg gets fired, and this is completely hypothetical, but do you take him back if you're JP?"
6. "College is more difficult to coach. Knew he wouldn't cut it."
7. "Heart health."
8. "He left our roster in flames."
9. "Still don't know why he left."
10. "$$$."
11. "GarPax."
12. "Hoiberg to KU."
13. "Prohm is better."
14. "He obviously never earns his players' respect wherever he goes."
15. "McKay."
16. "Why did he go?"
Feel free to add more.
1. "Things aren't looking good for Fred."
2. "Hope he succeeds but it was obvious he wouldn't going in."
3. "Should have taken the Wolves job."
4. "The NBA sucks. Don't know why he took the job."
5. "If Hoiberg gets fired, and this is completely hypothetical, but do you take him back if you're JP?"
6. "College is more difficult to coach. Knew he wouldn't cut it."
7. "Heart health."
8. "He left our roster in flames."
9. "Still don't know why he left."
10. "$$$."
11. "GarPax."
12. "Hoiberg to KU."
13. "Prohm is better."
14. "He obviously never earns his players' respect wherever he goes."
15. "McKay."
16. "Why did he go?"
Feel free to add more.
He could have had the Twolves job even earlier really. Flip would have given it to him.
I didn't create the thread to criticize Fred, in fact I always hoped he's have success. It pains me to think that he got his dream job (well, ok, maybe) and now it's turned into a tire fire. Part of me thinks that he knew what he was getting himself into, and yet.........
The Minnesota job wasn't open when FH went to the Bulls.
Bulls hire Hoiberg June 2, 2015.
Flip Saunders steps down in Minnesota September 10, 2015.
I know a lot of this is in jest, but an NBA coach doesn't get to where they are by chasing the dollar. I can easily say I'd take the money and run, because for one, I'm not an NBA fan and even less of a fan of the Bulls, so it wouldn't bother me a bit to cash a check and watch the team burn.
I'm sure with Fred though and the competitive spirit it took to get to his position, that it might literally be killing him. I certainly don't mean he's going to drop dead soon, but with his heart issues, the stress I imagine he's feeling and dealing with, is probably shaving some time off of his life. As he said when he left ISU, money wasn't the issue. His contract $$$ probably had more to do with his buddy Gar, then him really holding out for that much.
IF his life goal was to be a successful coach in the NBA, I'd imagine he's having an awful lot of sleepless nights. I do think one benefit for him, is that very few sports guys here really ever respected him as an NBA coach. Most of them predicted this would happen, so it's not a constant attack on Fred, like it may have been if they'd have brought in someone else who already had some tenure in the NBA.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like he doesn't get criticism, but when Thibs was here, I was constantly seeing him on the news and hearing his full press conferences during the sports segments. Now, you actually have to pay attention to catch a glimpse, or focus solely on sports only channels to really hear what he has to say. I just get the feeling that most here never expected him to be here for the length of his contract, so it's kind of a "wait it out" mentality as opposed to "He's got to go now" mentality.
What really amazes me is how the local news channels (not sports based) aren't more focused on laying the blame on the Gar/Pax/Front office crowd. It's always the players this, the coach that, but no one ever really focuses on what a ****** job the Bulls organization does of running the franchise.
Whew, sorry for that marathon post, didn't mean to get into that, but anyways, yeah, the money is nice, but for a guy like Fred, I'm sure he'd trade the money for some wins.
My opinion of Fred changed greatly after he went to the Bulls. Not because he left ISU for the NBA, but because he left ISU for such a disastrous situation. And I'm a Bulls fan.
For a guy who, until recently, had seemingly made very few mistakes in his life, I was puzzled and aggravated by the decision. I'm not angry, but I don't feel one bit sorry for him because he should have known better.
And, yes, he's still cashing checks. But Fred is a competitor, and I'm certain he expected to win and is having exactly zero fun with this situation.
For a guy who, until recently, had seemingly made very few mistakes in his life, I was puzzled and aggravated by the decision. I'm not angry, but I don't feel one bit sorry for him because he should have known better.
And, yes, he's still cashing checks. But Fred is a competitor, and I'm certain he expected to win and is having exactly zero fun with this situation.
