Do you think "anyone involved with KU" would be talking if there was info that proves they were involved?
KU Police investigating report of teenage girl raped at KU’s McCarthy Hall
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Self would know that his players, 5 of them, were called as witnesses. He would also know because the alleged rape happened in his basketball 'den.' He would also know because one of his players was found with drug stuff during the rape investigation. He would also know because he is responsible for his program which includes the players' behavior while in it.
They never denied anything about knowing that a rape took place and that players were questioned and identified as witnesses. Do you even know what that means? Witnesses does not have to mean actual witnesses to the crime.
Bragg was suspended when charged with possession of his pipe.
He would know details of the rape investigation because his players live in the dorm? That is ridiculous. Do you think police just go around telling people everything about their investigations? No. They don't and there is no reason for Bill to know the details of it. At first I thought you were serious, now I know you are just trolling.
This is a bit naive. Art Briles had no legal status over his players. Joe Paterno had no legal status over his coaching staff. I like Bill Self and don't think he'd cover anything like this up. However, if you don't think he has the resources, influence and motivation to alter, delay or impede this investigation, that's just silly. If a player is a suspect the police better interview Self. At least to look for circumstantial and tangential information (e.g. Has Player X ever talked about hurting women?).
If Self and KU had the ability to pull that off then Carlton Bragg would have never been arrested for having s pot pipe in his room. That would have been the worlds easiest thing to overlook if the police wete inclined to do so. Instead, they got a search warrant, returned on a day that that the team flew to Vegas for a game to execute the search warrant and pressed charges against Bragg.
If the cops are on the take then KU isn't getting their moneys worth.
I've been told by KU homers it was impossible for any KU player to be involved. How/why did the police get a search warrant for Bragg's room?
Best get your talking points in order.
I would assume that when they were investigating the alleged rape that they saw the pipe in Bragg's room. They could have either walked by Bragg's room while the door was open or have been asing him questions about whether he saw anything in the building. Like I said, it would have been the easiest thing in the world to overlook if that was the goal of the police.
Anything is possible, but I find it to be highly unlikely given what happened that we do know. The big conspiracy just doesnt hold water.
...and your hate for KU has completly taken away any common sense, even though I question how much you actually have to begin with.
Define "what's going on"? I think that he has been given some details of the case and based on those details has stated that he has not been told anything that woul warrant suspending a player.
And based on his handling of Bragg I believe that if he HAD been given information that looked bad for one of his players that he would suspend them immediately.
As much as I hate Kansas, I think Self legitimately tries to run a clean program and acts based on the information that has been given to him. Surly, you might want to take a step back and wait for the details to come out.
I think Self runs a program on the margin. It's the reason some coaches hardly shake his hand. My point here has been that he probably knows way more about what's going on than the average fan. But I've also said it's best to let this play out and then draw your own conclusions.
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Thats hilarious. Self gives Drew the blow by in the hand shake line because Drew is a weasely liar who openly bashes all other coaches and programs during recruiting. Watch any hand shake involving Drew, no coach is patting him on the back and chatting him up.
And your coach gets the quick shake as well. We all know Weber's history with Bill Self. Don't pretend its because Weber thinks Self runs a shady program. It's because Self's shadow has loomed over Weber for the last 14 years of Weber's career.
Nice try, but I am not letting that silliness go unchecked.
I'm not trying to put more spin on the Bragg deal, but I really don't think Self cared if Bragg missed a couple games. He had not been pleased with him, and his play was lacking. That suspension may have been the best thing for Bragg, at the time.
Can assure you that Self and Weber do not like one another. It goes back to Chicago recruiting while Weber was at Illinois. Izzo likewise.
I feel like that has to be Bill not liking Bruce, no? At least at first, cause Bruce was bringing in the best players in Chicagoland back then, only time in recent memory that Illinois has been able to do that. (hint to Illinois coach Groce, who I know is reading this, get the best players in Illinois and you will have a solid team consistently)
Fraschilla made the point that cheating "is not a victimless crime" because it means "a coach that doesn't cheat gets fired."
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c.../tom-izzo-michigan-state-recruiting/24709699/
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c.../tom-izzo-michigan-state-recruiting/24709699/
Hastily posted. Surly forgot to put the "Purple" in "Purple Kansas".
Fraschilla is right, though.
It is the same with MLB players who cheat to succeed. There are a ridiculous few number of spots in The Show and every time a player uses PEDs to get or keep a spot there is a clean player in the minors who doesn't get his shot.
