Here's what I know about McNeil

[DurangoCy]

I normally don't like blocking a school, but in this case If the AAU angle is true and he still wants to leave I'm all for it.

What's the worst case, no release and he comes to ISU first semester not on team and then transfers or he pays his own way somewhere else?

 

[flynnhicks03]

If coaches can leave for other schools at any point, regardless of their contract (which they do), and coaches can encourage kids to transfer (which they do), you can't really restrict kids too much. They're 18 years old and often they make their college commitments when they're 17.

Players are often granted releases after a coach leaves. In this case there appears to be no motive other than tampering. Block Cal for sure.

 

[BoxsterCy]

I normally don't like blocking a school, but in this case If the AAU angle is true and he still wants to leave I'm all for it.

What's the worst case, no release and he comes to ISU first semester not on team and then transfers or he pays his own way somewhere else?

The downside is the AAU cartel will turn on you and that's worse than HS coaches turning on you. Lot of shady ***** in AAU and lots of shady **** assistants in college more than happy to whisper in recruits ear about how such and such school doesn't respect them.

 

[acgclone]

Players are often granted releases after a coach leaves. In this case there appears to be no motive other than tampering. Block Cal for sure.

Right, but do coaches leave for other jobs only based on players changing their minds? No, and kids shouldn't be bound any more than coaches, IMO.

Schools fire coaches, coaches leave for better jobs, coaches/schools push players out. That stuff happens all the time.

I don't see why a kid should face a stiffer penalty or more restrictions than coaches.

 

[cyclonedave25]

But remember that even though people are saying blocking it really isn't blocking. It just means that he would have to sit out a redshirt year rather than being eligible right away. He committed and later signed an LOI. There has to be some consequences to breaking that contract. Having to sit out a redshirt year doesn't seem like an overly harsh response.

Don't they also have to pay their own way during that sit out year?

 

[Doc]

Who the hell is Wyking Jones?

He's a basketball coach/part time actor and producer. Frankly, that's very strange and also very cool.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Man the latest overhyped recruit leaving at the time of his peak overhype? Would love to have him here but this guy is Jakokby Long 2017 I can live without the 100's of "why isn't McNeill playing" threads that we would have had after every game.

 

[Cyforce]

Dead soldiers don't win battles, kid's going to be good but truth be told he was a fringe rotation player next year so we move on and fill the hole this year and sign a better recruit next year ala Moss.

 

[allfourcy]

Man the latest overhyped recruit leaving at the time of his peak overhype? Would love to have him here but this guy is Jakokby Long 2017 I can live without the 100's of "why isn't McNeill playing" threads that we would have had after every game.

Why do you think he's been overhyped? Guess I don't see him as another Jakoby Long, but that's just me.

 

[cyclone101]

Block him from Big 12 and Cal. But let him leave. He doesn't want to commit to this program, so let him go. If you're not all in you aren't in at all. I hate all the wishy-washy ******** in recruiting. I could never be a recruiter.

 

[flynnhicks03]

Right, but do coaches leave for other jobs only based on players changing their minds? No, and kids shouldn't be bound any more than coaches, IMO.

Schools fire coaches, coaches leave for better jobs, coaches/schools push players out. That stuff happens all the time.

I don't see why a kid should face a stiffer penalty or more restrictions than coaches.

This only opens the door to future players walking all over you. You have to be fair but strict. There's no reason to grant an unconditional release. It just doesn't happen, and it shouldn't happen now.

 

[allfourcy]

Block him from Big 12 and Cal. But let him leave. He doesn't want to commit to this program, so let him go. If you're not all in you aren't in at all. I hate all the wishy-washy ******** in recruiting. I could never be a recruiter.

I get the block him from Big 12, but how do we justify to block him from Cal? Wouldn't that be like saying Washington should have blocked Porter from Missouri just cuz they knew that's where his father was going to be hired?

 

[madguy30]

Block him from Big 12 and Cal. But let him leave. He doesn't want to commit to this program, so let him go. If you're not all in you aren't in at all. I hate all the wishy-washy ******** in recruiting. I could never be a recruiter.

Fred?

 

[cyclonedave25]

I get the block him from Big 12, but how do we justify to block him from Cal? Wouldn't that be like saying Washington should have blocked Porter from Missouri just cuz they knew that's where his father was going to be hired?

That's different because his father was going there, like McDermott and Creighton. In this case, if he were to go to Cal it would be because his AAU coach tampered.

And to the people saying he shouldn't be blocked anywhere, he's just a teenager that changed his mind, etc. then I assume you think there's no point in a NLI? Whats the point of even signing that dotted line if you can change your mind the summer before you report to school with no consequences?

 

[cmjh10]

Fred?

Not dreamy enough, trust me

 

[isucy86]

If there strong eason to believe tampering, then I don't mind a school blocking schools. Otherwise, I think schools need to understand they are dealing with 18 year old kids and having to make life impacting decisions is something new. After marriage - choice of school may be the biggest decisions a person makes in their life.

I also feel that as a HS senior has flexibility. Not only can he go to a 4 year school, but McNeil could also go to JUCO and go to Cal in a year.

 

[CloneGuy8]

Why do you think he's been overhyped? Guess I don't see him as another Jakoby Long, but that's just me.

Are you implying Long is overhyped? Not trying to attack you, just curious if that's what you meant. If it was, I think it's too early to tell. He was dealing with an injury last year and was behind a bunch of really good guards last year.

 

[isutrevman]

The downside is the AAU cartel will turn on you and that's worse than HS coaches turning on you. Lot of shady ***** in AAU and lots of shady **** assistants in college more than happy to whisper in recruits ear about how such and such school doesn't respect them.

AAU coaches only think for themselves, I doubt they look out for each other.

 

[ripvdub]

I get the block him from Big 12, but how do we justify to block him from Cal? Wouldn't that be like saying Washington should have blocked Porter from Missouri just cuz they knew that's where his father was going to be hired?

Umm, tampering. Hello? Nit exactly legal.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Why do you think he's been overhyped? Guess I don't see him as another Jakoby Long, but that's just me.

The point is that no one sees anyone as a guy that's going to ride the bench as a freshman until they ride the bench all season. Like I said I wanted him here but he's a 3 star guy that most likely isn't ready for the Big 12 in several areas and wouldn't have been a huge contributor next year. That's just high major college basketball not a knock on McNeill in any way.