No kidding. They really underutilized Arya throughout the whole Winterfell storyline. They could have done some seriously cool things with her ability as a faceless man to trap Baelish. Instead they just used her as a red herring.
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Certainly, does if Bran tells Arya that Sansa was forced to write the letter. Also, why would LF have that letter, how did he know it was written and sent if he wasn't there. Arya is spy she would understand his reasons for getting the letter in the first place. His most nefarious reason for getting it is to harm Sansa, LF didn't pass his own test.
Also, even though not stated, I think Sansa would have let LF live if he would have stopped trying to get to the throne, but he never stopped so she finally had enough of his ****.
I assume that they were getting played and at some point wised up, either with Bran's seeing help or on their own. I mean you have an assassin blinded by revenge and a Lady of the North with barely concealed ambitions who both know better than to trust LF but they have to fight through their own baggage to get there. Considering the "trial" scene and "evidence" I would lean to Bran filling them in some and turning the tables. Not having them wise up would have pushed the WTF more than this because the dude sees stuff (even if he does not seemingly know what to do with his information at times).
Like Bran suddenly hitting onto "Oh, boy, you know what, Jon needs to know this!"
I assume that they were getting played and at some point wised up, either with Bran's seeing help or on their own. I mean you have an assassin blinded by revenge and a Lady of the North with barely concealed ambitions who both know better than to trust LF but they have to fight through their own baggage to get there. Considering the "trial" scene and "evidence" I would lean to Bran filling them in some and turning the tables. Not having them wise up would have pushed the WTF more than this because the dude sees stuff (even if he does not seemingly know what to do with his information at times).
Like Bran suddenly hitting onto "Oh, boy, you know what, Jon needs to know this!"
Can never trust a littlefinger. Usually have little man complex.
Just wondering, if the Stark rule is the one who passes judgement is the one that swings the sword, why Sansa didn't execute LF.
I know she could never do it
I know she could never do it
I read a review that made sense out of the Sansa/Arya thing.
The build up between Sansa and Arya was real in the prior weeks. It wasn't until LF played his game with Sansa about thinking of the worse motives for someone. When LF said Arya's motive might to become Lady of Winterfell, that is when Sansa realized LF was playing them. The review mentioned a puzzled look Sansa made when LF said that, because in one of the last two episodes during a dialogue between Sansa and Arya, Arya reiterated that she never wanted to be Lady of Winterfell.
The theory is that after Sansa and LF had that conversation, Sansa went to Bran with Arya to get his input and he told her everything LF had done.
The build up between Sansa and Arya was real in the prior weeks. It wasn't until LF played his game with Sansa about thinking of the worse motives for someone. When LF said Arya's motive might to become Lady of Winterfell, that is when Sansa realized LF was playing them. The review mentioned a puzzled look Sansa made when LF said that, because in one of the last two episodes during a dialogue between Sansa and Arya, Arya reiterated that she never wanted to be Lady of Winterfell.
The theory is that after Sansa and LF had that conversation, Sansa went to Bran with Arya to get his input and he told her everything LF had done.
That was a quote that was said by Ned, yes. But I would have to guess he wasn't preaching this to his two daughters at their age in the beginning of the series. ICBW, But it doesn't seem like something he would hold Sansa or Arya to. I thought the scene where Arya stated she didn't pass the sentence, she was just the executioner was somewhat of a nod to that Stark "rule" you speak of and the show-runners wanted that in there, but to expect Sansa to be doing the killing, it wouldn't hold true to their characters. Not to mention it re-assures us that Arya and Sansa are in-fact on the same side of this whole fight.
It's obvious that they talked with Bran at some point offscreen before the "trial". They didn't show it because they wanted people to worry about the Starks turning on each other.
If Arya was really pissed, Sansa would be dead. Instead, she gave Sansa the knife. I don't think Arya really all that much animosity towards Sansa.
If we are going to be picky, "the man. who passes the sentence" is Ned's phrasing. He is speaking with his children who are going to be trained with swords, and have authority. He's emphasizing the responsibility over cruelty, and the gravity of taking a man's life. This is a minority opinion in Westeros.
Ned would never expect Sansa to cut a Man's head off, because she is not trained in swordsmanship. He'd have to tap a different quote for her. Arya, he'd understand doing it. She's not a lady in temperament.
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But remember what Arya was "mad" about, what she considered to be Sansa's "betrayal." Sansa writing the letter to Robb telling him to bend the knee. She already knew that the Lannisters had made Sansa write it. She didn't care. She said that even if they were forcing her, she still wouldn't have betrayed her family. How would Bran's visions change anything about that?
If Arya's animosity over that letter was real, then I don't buy her suddenly cooling off about it. Yes, she still had plenty of reason to kill Littlefinger, and this doesn't change that, but her acting all chummy with Sansa afterward doesn't make sense if her animosity was real. A convo with Bran doesn't change that.
There was also a TOTALLY sisterly moment afterward. I don't remember the exact words, but basically, Sansa told Arya "you're the strongest person I know". Arya replied with "I think that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me", and without missing a beat Sansa said "well, don't get used to it".
I speak from experience - I'm the third of three girls in my family.
I speak from experience - I'm the third of three girls in my family.
I get all of your objections, but honestly, to me the sisterly dynamics made sense.
Lots of opinions. But let's not forget, Arya stood before her sister with a knife and basically said, "Hey, how bout I cut off your ******* face and wear it a la Buffalo Bill mask."
Awkward, stilted conversation and acting. Only perspective that the scene ever makes sense is if we are to believe LF was in the hallway listening.
Show could have easily done better over these last few weeks with Sansa, Arya and LF.
Awkward, stilted conversation and acting. Only perspective that the scene ever makes sense is if we are to believe LF was in the hallway listening.
Show could have easily done better over these last few weeks with Sansa, Arya and LF.
I think if I were Dany I'd switch to a "matador" type of defense, and simply let the Walkers mosey on down to King's Landing.
If Bran an independent 3rd party who can see what actually happens articulates everything that Sonsa went through to Arya it probably would have changed Arya's mind.
In fact, when Sonsa and Arya are having the conversation after the execution, Arya says something to the effect of "you're right I wouldn't have survived everything you went through". That to me implies that Bran detailed everything Sonsa went through at the hands of LF.
You can't complain about shoddy writing if your going to cite movies that happened way after the events of the show. That's ridiculous.
Exactly. To me, the only way it ultimately makes sense is if LittleFinger's plan was working for awhile, and the tension and suspicion between Sansa and Arya was very real. Then, at some point (either between Ep 6 and 7 or during Ep6) they took a step back and realized they were being played by Littlefinger and came around. I don't think this was made clear so we just don't know.
Yeah, I don't get why it's so hard to see that something was proven to Arya after she told Sansa everything she could do and Sansa didn't make a move and then that Sansa realized Arya didn't want to kill her when LF was going through is game scenario. Add in a little bit of interaction with Bran, and it's not a huge leap to make.
