Game of Thrones Season 7

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As far as there being a conspiracy between Sansa and Arya to entrap Littlefinger, what if there wasn't? What if that was all Sansa? Sure, Arya has never trusted Littlefinger, but she doesn't know the depths of his depravity the way Sansa does. For years Sansa has been nothing but Littlefinger's tool for world domination. While she was too young and naive to understand the implications of what Littlefinger did to betray John Arryn, Ned, and Catelyn, by the time he pushed Aunt Lysa out the moon door, essentially stole the Vale right out from the Arryns, and then sold Sansa to the Boltons, she had become wise to Littlefinger. Who says Sansa didn't use Arya as unsuspecting bait to trap Littlefinger in his own web of lies? It's the very thing Littlefinger would do, and was the very thing he was hoping for, and you could see the smirk on his face - until Sansa turned the trial onto him.

Just curious, but are you suggesting that Sansa was the only one at the trial that knew she was going to turn the table on Littlefinger, or just that it was her idea? If it's the former, I'm having a hard time envisioning any scenario where Arya didn't know about the turning of the tables.

I was curious to know when the Knights of the Vale turned against LF. Obviously Yohn Royce didn't need much convincing, but nobody was in a rush to come to their lord's aid.
 

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Just heard a hilarious quote from Andrew Ti on GoT. "The only thing that's been consistent throughout the whole series is its attempt to soften people's views on incest."
The Cersei & Jaime and Viserys & Dany relationships are/were creepy to me. Yeah, I know, Viserys & Dany didn't complete the act...but only because he knew she had more value as a virgin.

I have to admit though that last night when the Dany/Jon canoodling began, I found myself questioning if it was incest if the two parties were unaware of their genetic ties.

So, ummmm...maybe?
 

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The Cersei & Jaime and Viserys & Dany relationships are/were creepy to me. Yeah, I know, Viserys & Dany didn't complete the act...but only because he knew she had more value as a virgin.

I have to admit though that last night when the Dany/Jon canoodling began, I found myself questioning if it was incest if the two parties were unaware of their genetic ties.

So, ummmm...maybe?

I think it's still incest, but maybe not morally wrong?
 

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Just heard a hilarious quote from Andrew Ti on GoT. "The only thing that's been consistent throughout the whole series is its attempt to soften people's views on incest."

My oldest son described it as knowing aunt and nephew were going to get it on yet still wanting it to happen.:confused: He did accurately predict before the season started that it would be boat sex. His other predictions were much easier to get right (Viserion would become a wight dragon and take out the wall, Arya would kill Littlefinger).
 

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Going to need a meme similar to this in GoT now:

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Except it saying something like "Because if she's not really your aunt... Eh, to hell with it. They're Targaryens - they invented incest."
 

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So are they going to use Theon's storyline to break the news to Jon and Dany that Cersi is double-crossing them? Theon shows up at the Iron Islands finds out where Euron went. He then books it to the north to tell them. Theon's redemption story complete?
 

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I think it's still incest, but maybe not morally wrong?
I was laughing at the scene of Jon and Dany because they had Bran piecing together their heritage as a voice-over, as Jon is finally making his move. D&D just ******* with all of us saying "You guys are watching Incest and most of you have been rooting for this, you *****"
 

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There's an internet theory going around that the reason why Tyrion was a little "creepy" last night is not because he's secretly in love with Dany or wants the Iron Throne, but, because of his proclivity to reading, he's already aware of who Jon Snow really is (Aegon Targaryen) and was a little creeped out himself about what was going on. I have a number of problems with this theory, mainly why the hell didn't Tyrion say anything when Jon first showed up at Dany's doorstep, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.
 
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So are they going to use Theon's storyline to break the news to Jon and Dany that Cersi is double-crossing them? Theon shows up at the Iron Islands finds out where Euron went. He then books it to the north to tell them. Theon's redemption story complete?

I doubt it - I think Jaime's going to tell them himself that Cersei's double-crossing them. That relationship is clearly, quite possibly permanently, broken.
 

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Isn't this an actual psychological condition? Something where blood relatives meet as adults not knowing each other growing up?

On a side note a friend of mine hooked up with a random girl at a party once, got introduced to her the next day at a family reunion as his cousin.
There has been some concern about that as it pertains to sperm & egg donation. The more frequently a certain donor's contributions are used in a geographic area, the more likelihood that somewhere down the line, half-siblings may come into sexual contact.
 

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The Targs were also polygamists so was a bit surprised they put the divorce in there. Always assumed he married Lyanna and was just going the sister wife route. Kind of wonder if GRRM will write the divorce.
 

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I was laughing at the scene of Jon and Dany because they had Bran piecing together their heritage as a voice-over, as Jon is finally making his move. D&D just ******* with all of us saying "You guys are watching Incest and most of you have been rooting for this, you *****"

It also could set up an interesting future for Westeros. What if Jon and Dany have a kid out of incest, and by the end of the books, he or she is showing some crazy Targaryan characteristics?

It'd be kind of like the last two seasons of The Wire where they just show everything starting to repeat itself again.
 

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There's an internet theory going around that the reason why Tyrion was a little "creepy" last night is not because he's secretly in love with Dany or wants the Iron Throne, but, because of his proclivity to reading, he's already aware of who Jon Snow really is (Aegon Targaryen) and was a little creeped out himself about what was going on. I have a number of problems with this theory, mainly why the hell didn't Tyrion say anything when Jon first showed up at Dany's doorstep, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.
IDK how I feel about that, I think it was him being the hand of the Queen and being wary of the potential consequences of what they are doing. It was a somewhat creepy shot, maybe if he just was walking and turned the corner to see Jon walking in to her room, it would have been less creepy and more of an answer as to why he was "spying". But it seemed as though he knew this was going to happen and was following Jon. Either way I don't think Tyrion is in love with Dany on the show, it was just a wrinkle for the showrunners to have another person who knows what happened between Jon and Dany. Especially nice for when Dany starts showing signs that she is preggo and Tyrion outs her like he did Cersei:rolleyes:
 
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It also could set up an interesting future for Westeros. What if Jon and Dany have a kid out of incest, and by the end of the books, he or she is showing some crazy Targaryan characteristics?

It'd be kind of like the last two seasons of The Wire where they just show everything starting to repeat itself again.
That could be, and I do think that the Cersei dying in child birth is a very real possibility because of this exact theory. It allows for the Lannister name to live on in the end, even if they are the only Lannister who survives.
 

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There's an internet theory going around that the reason why Tyrion was a little "creepy" last night is not because he's secretly in love with Dany or wants the Iron Throne, but, because of his proclivity to reading, he's already aware of who Jon Snow really is (Aegon Targaryen) and was a little creeped out himself about what was going on. I have a number of problems with this theory, mainly why the hell didn't Tyrion say anything when Jon first showed up at Dany's doorstep, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.

I have seen similar things and there might be something to it. Just as they had Arya somewhat reprise the role of LSH, maybe Tyrion suspects Jon also represents the Aegon/Griff storyline of the books.
 

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IDK how I feel about that, I think it was him being the hand of the Queen and being wary of the potential consequences of what they are doing. It was a somewhat creepy shot, maybe if he just was walking and turned the corner to see him walking in to her room, it would have been less creepy. But it seemed as though he knew this was going to happen and was following Jon. Either way I don't think Tyrion is in love with Dany on the show.
I think he loves her, but more like a daughter or younger sister (I know, same thing to Targs & Lannisters). But I don't think it's a romantic love. I think he genuinely believes in her, and she has certainly treated him better than his family.
 

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The Targs were also polygamists so was a bit surprised they put the divorce in there. Always assumed he married Lyanna and was just going the sister wife route. Kind of wonder if GRRM will write the divorce.
Maybe they needed the divorce to make Jon the one true heir?
 
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