First crack in Ku's armor ...

Cyclophile1

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Somebody go tell Bucknell and Colgate to get ready to serve KU's three year probation. NCAA will be in contact within the next 10 days and they have been designated to be the Kansas official scapegoat.
 
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Somebody go tell Bucknell and Colgate to get ready to serve KU's three year probation. NCAA will be in contact within the next 10 days and they have been designated to be the Kansas official scapegoat.

Probably not. The FBI doesn't care who you are. The NCAA isn't investigating anything right now. Why would they? The FBI is kicking ass and taking names on a federal level.
 

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Probably not. The FBI doesn't care who you are. The NCAA isn't investigating anything right now. Why would they? The FBI is kicking ass and taking names on a federal level.

This is the part that just doesn't seem to be resonating with people. Some people are equating the FBI with the NCAA. It's as if the federal government investigating criminal activities in college sports just isn't sinking in.

Saying Bucknell and Colgate will get punished for KU's federal crimes (if they exist) is simply not "getting it".
 

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Probably not. The FBI doesn't care who you are. The NCAA isn't investigating anything right now. Why would they? The FBI is kicking ass and taking names on a federal level.

Yeah, I’m guessing the NCAA will come in when the smoke has cleared and assess penalties on the programs themselves based on the findings of the FBI.
 

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Probably not. The FBI doesn't care who you are. The NCAA isn't investigating anything right now. Why would they? The FBI is kicking ass and taking names on a federal level.
The FBI doesn't care about programs, or scholarships, or post-season bans though. The FBI may kick individuals asses, but unless the NCAA hands out punishment to the bluebloods those programs will recover just like PSU.

Courtesy of the FBI the NCAA now has evidence they could not previously get. Let's see if they do anything with it. They may need to in order to save themselves.
 
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Yellow Snow

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The FBI doesn't care about programs, or scholarships, or post-season bans though. The FBI may kick a individuals asses, but unless the NCAA hands out punishment to the bluebloods those programs will recover just like PSU.

Courtesy of the FBI the NCAA now has evidence they could not previously get. Let's see if they do anything with it. They may need to in order to save themselves.

I agree. Let's see what happens.
 

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It will be interesting to see how insulated head coaches kept themselves from their recruiting 'acquisition' arms. Self last night whined on about how difficult the business had become because of bad actors on the periphery.
 

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I don't think anyone can be confident that any school is not involved. The influence of shoe companies and AAU programs have become completely entwined in the college game.

My assumption has always been that everybody cheats because that's the only way to compete. It was interesting to see Fran Fraschilla tweet that there were a lot of honest coaches that were thrilled with this. Fingers crossed.
 

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It will be interesting to see how insulated head coaches kept themselves from their recruiting 'acquisition' arms. Self last night whined on about how difficult the business had become because of bad actors on the periphery.

"Periphery". Yeah, that's rich. The money is always at the heart of the deal.
 

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I think this just proves the point about how difficult it is for the ISUs and KSUs of the world to compete. It's hard enough when KU can just walk into any living room and recruit a kid; on top of that, you've got athletic companies actively pushing the top talent to these teams. Complete ********.
 

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I've been hearing people throw out the name Carlton Bragg. Adidas AAU, Adidas Kansas, Adidas ASU. Mark Titus was saying the way that Self used Bragg it seemed as if Bragg was essentially sprung on him, and he felt obligated to play him, but when he realized he was useless he made him ride pine and that is when he started looking elsewhere. Idk if this is true, but he said his AAu coach was out lobbying for him again in the transfer market, eventually landing at Arizona State, another Adidas school.
 

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Ya, one of many reasons I have a lot of hate for the NCAA. There are schools out there throwing hooker parties, paying players, providing low income housing to players, taking tests for player, etc, and nothing seems to happen to them. ISU gets probation for a crap hamburger and a $20 taxi ride.

Don't forget the decades of academic fraud at UNC and no punishment at all for their men's basketball program.

Somebody go tell Bucknell and Colgate to get ready to serve KU's three year probation. NCAA will be in contact within the next 10 days and they have been designated to be the Kansas official scapegoat.

They will probably dump on Caltech for another year post season ban for treating their true student athletes like all of their other genius students.
 

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I think this just proves the point about how difficult it is for the ISUs and KSUs of the world to compete. It's hard enough when KU can just walk into any living room and recruit a kid; on top of that, you've got athletic companies actively pushing the top talent to these teams. Complete ********.
KSU? I will add the below picture if this goes back multiple years.
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surly

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Surly, you better hope they don't go too far back with Lamont Evans and also Frank Martin.
Frank Martin was effectively fired at K-State over NCAA violation concerns plus some other stuff. You probably don't recall then K-State A.D., John Currie, pulling Jamar Samuels from the NCAA tournament and Frank protesting then resigning to take the USC,e job later that year. I hope it does come up because I believe the guy is crooked. Beasley and others came to K-State because of Hug's and Frank's assistant, Delonte Hill, a monied AAU coach, who later served time in jail.
 
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ArgentCy

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Yeah, I’m guessing the NCAA will come in when the smoke has cleared and assess penalties on the programs themselves based on the findings of the FBI.

BUT Federal investigations can take YEARS. Especially ones that are this large and so wide ranging. What in the world are they going to do for the years while they continue to sit on their lazy frelling &$^%#?
 

srjclone

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Frank Martin was effectively fired at K-State over NCAA violation concerns plus some other stuff. You probably don't recall then K-State A.D., John Currie, pulling Jamar Samuels from the NCAA tournament and Frank protesting then resigning to take the USC,e job later that year. I hope it does come up because I believe the guy is crooked. Beasley and others came to K-State because of Hug's and Frank's assistant, Delonte Hill, a monied AAU coach, who later served time in jail.
Didn't he serve jail time because of multiple DUI's?
 

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