Hill was terminated at Maryland for DUI issues. He then went back to the AAU circuit, then to Austin Peay working for another of Martin's former assistants, Matt Figger.
First crack in Ku's armor ...
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CycloneErik
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You are 100% correct. I went with a fun option instead of factual.
People keep saying that it depends on how well the head coaches insulated themselves in all of this. It won't surprise me when it gets to the point of how well the NCAA insulated themselves, and if they can still deny culpability. The questions are going to be asked on how did they not know this was going on and why did they not use the rules in place to take enforcement actions.
And just who is going to ask the question? Perhaps someone on the board of presidents asks staff. But staff will just say there's no tools for them to uncover this kind of malfeasance. And that's the truth. They have no way in hell of tracking these kinds of activities. That's the role of law enforcement and good reason why sports should be regulated.
So where are you getting that he is monied and brought players to the school illegally?
Well, that's what the FBI is investigating, broadly, isn't it. So, we don't know. But we can certainly make reasoned assumption based on information that is and has been available for some time now.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/8/12/4614960/curtis-malone-dc-assault-arrest-heroin
Malone's off-the-court indiscretions aside, he doesn't have a reputation as the most honest and forthcoming recruiting kingmaker, either. He's been sued by Beasley, along with current Maryland assistant coach Dalonte Hill, a former DCA player and coach who many in the area cite as the lone reason Beasley attended Kansas State; Hill had just started working as an assistant in Manhattan when Beasley committed to KSU.
So you were assuming. And tried to link his 2 DUI arrests, and jail time stemming from it, to his shadiness in coaching? I just have no idea what his jail time had to do with anything with this FBI investigation or why it was brought up in the first place.
Which is basically how a blue blood as won the national championship 8 out of the past 9 seasons...
Yes, I'm drawing assumptions based on known facts. High character guys generally don't end up as drunks in jail.
According to the suit, Malone told Smith that she did not need to worry about “paying for anything” — including Smith’s transportation and lodging if she wanted to travel to games — because his program was sponsored by Adidas, a shoe and apparel company that funded many top-tier summer-league programs.
After Smith chose to have Beasley play for DC Assault, the lawsuit alleges, her travel and lodging were paid for consistently, and sometimes her children’s expenses were paid for, as well.
Dalonte Hill, Beasley’s coach with DC Assault and Kansas State and currently a Maryland assistant coach, has known Beasley since the player was 12 years old. Hill said in a telephone interview Monday that he did not recall Smith at any of Beasley’s out-of-state summer-league events.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor.../gIQAn40AKM_story.html?utm_term=.3a2e0ec9dddc
After Smith chose to have Beasley play for DC Assault, the lawsuit alleges, her travel and lodging were paid for consistently, and sometimes her children’s expenses were paid for, as well.
Dalonte Hill, Beasley’s coach with DC Assault and Kansas State and currently a Maryland assistant coach, has known Beasley since the player was 12 years old. Hill said in a telephone interview Monday that he did not recall Smith at any of Beasley’s out-of-state summer-league events.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor.../gIQAn40AKM_story.html?utm_term=.3a2e0ec9dddc
Yeah, okay. Just don't make open ended statements, after talking about how he was "monied" and bringing recruits to K State, that make it seem like it is directly correlated.
I don't give a **** about Delonte Hill or what he did or didn't do, just don't phrase things to fit your narrative that have no connection at all, is all I'm saying.
CycloneErik
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Dude's going through a weird backhanded way of defending KSU and Bruce Weber here. That has to be the whole point of the Hill thing he's got going.
I admit to connecting dots here. If you're incapable of doing that or choose to not care about guys like Hill, that's fine with me. I'm just explaining why I hope Frank Martin is exposed if he's part of this, which I believe to be the case.
Bell called Smith and asked her the amount of her rent and her car payment and told her that both payments would be taken care of. Smith said they were paid for, and that she never made a rent or car payment during Beasley’s entire freshman year as a player for Kansas State during the 2007-08 season, the suit says.
Not sure if prior bad acts are admissible evidence on Cyclone Fanatic but I'm pretty sure Frank Martin was banned from Florida High School athletics for falsifying documents to get kids enrolled in his school district in his early years.
One would have expected KSU to be better with their cheating. That is the sad part for Surly.
And NCAA fostered this cesspool.
http://m.thepostgame.com/fbi-college-basketball-recruiting-arrests-ncaa-emmert
I get people hating on the NCAA, i truly do. But what culpability does the NCAA have? Is the NCAA committing crimes? Are they paying players under the table to go to specific schools? I doubt it. Whether or not they enforce rules evenly is of no concern to the FBI.
Even if the NCAA knew what was happening... which i have no doubt they have for a long time, there is a HUGE gap between knowing what was going on and being able to prove it. NCAA lacks the ability to get that proof. FBI doesn't lack that ability. This is different.
The bolded part is my point. The FBI is gathering the solid proof the NCAA couldn't (or maybe not even try to get depending on the school). NOW we get to see how they react to this. In the past they could say... "we can't prove UNC (or anybody else) was cheating, so we can't act". The FBI is getting the proof and putting it out there in front of everybody this time.
In my mind, they have no choice but to drop some hammers.... depending upon what is uncovered. They will be under a microscope.
Guarantee they knew something and ignored it. NCAA doesn't give two ***** about student athletes. They want as much revenue as possible. And the best way to do that? Let the rich get richer. You allow a program with the following that unc or Kansas has get in trouble, you risk losing money.
I totally agree. That is why this is so great (unless we get dragged into it). They can't hide the big dog programs anymore if the FBI has proof of infractions.
Edit to add... it would be pretty epic if the NCAA did get busted.
