New transfer rules

[tim_redd]

I think the impact in football would be greater than basketball. Only 13 scholarships in basketball so every transfer Duke/Kentucky would take is one less HS player in the recruiting class. Should be enough talent to go around with some filtering up/down.

In football I think the traditional powers would still take all the HS players they wanted as well as almost any player from G5 or lesser P5 team. I think that any talent that filters down would have less of an impact in Football.

 

[acgclone]

It’ll be like every player is a grad transfer, and that type of speed-date recruiting hasn’t been Prohm’s style.

That’s true but Prohm can still excel at retaining and developing players.

 

[isufbcurt]

I'm surprised so many people don't have a problem with this. I see this having zero positives for a school like Iowa State.

If this rule was in place it would be benefiting ISU right now in basketball - marial shayok would be currently playing for us instead of sitting out

 

[VeloClone]

Certainly things will need to adjust, and it might not be comfortable. That's the nature of change. But the system as it stands is fundamentally unfair, with athletes being held to different standards than other students. I don't give a crap if it makes it more difficult for some schools. It's the right thing to do.

Athletes are held to a different standard than other students in a lot of ways today. Try missing class as much as an athlete has to and see how it affects your grades even if you are making up the work. Try walking over to training table and start eating the food that is unavailable to the general student body. You are going to get asked to leave in a hurry. There are a lot of things student athletes can and can't do both positive and negative because they are in a different situation. Some sort of commitment out of scholarship athletes is not unfair.

 

[Mr Janny]

What’s unfair about that? Welcome to life. Those year-long noncompete clauses are standard.

That said I’m not interested in what’s fair, I’m interested in what’s best for ISU.

The NCAA has made it very clear that athletes are students. When it comes to the subject of compensation, they insist that they're amateurs and students first, not employees. But, they have rules applies to them that other students don't, such as these transfer rules. The NCAA is trying to have it both ways. Do I even have to come up with a list of examples where the NCAA has arbitrarily disallowed transfers, or granted waivers for bizarre and indefensible reasons? It's a terrible system. An unfair system. And it has been outed as such countless times.

I'm an ISU fan, but my goodness, that doesn't mean I have to support the continuance of a terrible practice, just because it might affect ISU poorly. Think about that. What a dangerous attitude to have.

 

[woodm07]

Simply put, this has the potential to increase competition in a number of ways.

 

[RonBurgundy]

If this rule was in place it would be benefiting ISU right now in basketball - marial shayok would be currently playing for us instead of sitting out

Very short-sighted and naive relative to impact on our FB program.

 

[Mr Janny]

Athletes are held to a different standard than other students in a lot of ways today. Try missing class as much as an athlete has to and see how it affects your grades even if you are making up the work. Try walking over to training table and start eating the food that is unavailable to the general student body. You are going to get asked to leave in a hurry. There are a lot of things student athletes can and can't do both positive and negative because they are in a different situation. Some sort of commitment out of scholarship athletes is not unfair.

Are academic scholarships treated the same way? If I'm on academic scholarship, am I not allowed to immediately accept a scholarship and transfer to a different school?

 

[ruxCYtable]

That’s true but Prohm can still excel at retaining and developing players.

Really? Hey Random Player, ISU isn't as good as you hoped. Pack up your stuff, we'll come get you in the jet and you can get your ring."

 

[Mr Janny]

To be clear, the reason this is being considered is because the NCAA sees what's on the horizon. They know that legally, their model is on thin ice. It's only a matter of time before it gets blown up in the courts. This is nothing but legal maneuvering.

 

[CycloneErik]

Athletes are held to a different standard than other students in a lot of ways today. Try missing class as much as an athlete has to and see how it affects your grades even if you are making up the work. Try walking over to training table and start eating the food that is unavailable to the general student body. You are going to get asked to leave in a hurry. There are a lot of things student athletes can and can't do both positive and negative because they are in a different situation. Some sort of commitment out of scholarship athletes is not unfair.

Has to?
The only athletes I've seen missing class were poor students in revenue sports. Most of them were, well, moved on to other schools.

Students from non-revenue sports rarely miss class, and rarely will make it sound like they miss more than they do.

 

[VeloClone]

Are academic scholarships treated the same way? If I'm on academic scholarship, am I not allowed to immediately accept a scholarship and transfer to a different school?

Yes, you are. And athletes can immediately accept a scholarship at another school and transfer.

 

[Mr Janny]

Yes, you are. And athletes can immediately accept a scholarship at another school and transfer.

Does the academic scholar have any penalty for transferring?

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Might as well shut down Low Major and Mid Major College Basketball. It's over at those levels if this goes through.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Will there be something in place to prevent a university from recruiting players all year round in this scenario? If not, schools with significantly larger athletic budgets are just going to widen the parity gap.

It also feels like this would just ramp up the seediness in recruiting and make policing recruiting violations a billion times harder.

 

[Mr Janny]

Throw academic scholarships out if you want. Scholarship athletes are treated differently depending on which sport they participate in.

http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/transfer-terms

One-time transfer exception: If you transfer from a four-year school, you may be immediately eligible to compete at your new school if you meet ALL the following conditions:

• You are transferring to a Division II or III school, or you are transferring to a Division I school in any sport other than baseball, men's or women's basketball, football (Football Bowl Subdivision) or men’s ice hockey. If you are transferring to a Division I school for any of the previously-listed sports, you may be eligible to compete immediately if you were not recruited by your original school and you have never received an athletics scholarship.
• You are academically and athletically eligible at your previous four-year school.
• You receive a transfer-release agreement from your previous four-year school.

A track athlete can transfer and not have to sit out. A football player? Sorry. You're different, because... reasons.


It's a junk rule that needs to go. Doesn't matter how it will affect ISU.

 

[Cycsk]

Is this something imminent? I'm still skeptical because the only source we have is someone named Matt Schick from ESPNZone. And his posts have lots of contingency ("if this happens") language. Also, Schick is from Nebraska, so we can't assume that he is rational!

 

[BoxsterCy]

There is no right answer.

It's kinda ****** up now. With a change it will still be kinda ****** up.

 

[kingcy]

Good coaches are going to get paid a lot more. Just think a school can now hire a coach and he can bring his whole team with him.

 

[CyTwins]

If this rule was in place it would be benefiting ISU right now in basketball - marial shayok would be currently playing for us instead of sitting out

Let's face it Shayok probably isn't at ISU if he didn't have to sit out