Is Next Year’s Team Honestly Going To Be Any Good?

[AuH2O]

People tend to look at young teams and make the mistake of assuming an incremental improvement, when it rarely works that way anymore. In several games against conference opponents either LW or Lard have been the best player on the court. They have elite athleticism and nice skill sets, but they lack consistency, control, and court awareness like most freshmen. Those things will get much better, ad as a result this team will be a lot better. These are not low ceiling "they are what they are " youngsters. The biggest thing that will change next year is LW and Lard will be more consistent . If those guys are playing well at the same time this team is hard to beat now. Add in Shayok and the other newcomers on top of even modest improvements from the likes of Young and Talley and this will be a good team. I think it's a 7-10 seed type team next year.
Plus THT is going to contribute in abig way. Like LW he will probably be inconsistent, but next year we should have the depth that his minutes can vary accordingly.

 

[laminak]

OP is up to 41 disagrees and 7 dislikes. Is this the most negatively rated post in CF history or would it be merely a contender?

 

[JM4CY]

OP is up to 41 disagrees and 7 dislikes. Is this the most negatively rated post in CF history or would it be merely a contender?

Idk. I would start with Yeahbuddy's history. Although digging through that garbage might not be worth it.

 

[laminak]

Idk. I would start with Yeahbuddy's history. Although digging through that garbage might not be worth it.

I'd think he doesn't get that high as he hangs in the ISR forum and not all posters access that forum.

 

[IASTATE07]

OP is up to 41 disagrees and 7 dislikes. Is this the most negatively rated post in CF history or would it be merely a contender?

TUCO and Fred are two of his three positive ratings. Need I say more?

 

[MartinCy]

Ooops, OP isn't going to like this...

 

[Psiclone]

I agree that depth is an issue. Depth doesn’t seem to be any better next season. Relying on freshman for depth is risky business unless you can bring in recruits like Duke and Kentucky. I also don’t feel like I’m overreacting, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

Depth is no better next season? Really?

Jacobson by all accounts will be a marked improvement over Hans-Beverly combined. (I'm counting them as the equivalent of one person primarily due to Hans' unavailability at the beginning and during much of the season.) Talley will be improved with another year under his belt, as will Lewis/Long. And by all accounts THT and Griffin will be better as freshmen than Lewis/Long were this year. Even excluding THT and Griffin, the bench will be better next year, so not sure what your opinion is based upon.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Depth is no better next season? Really?

Jacobson by all accounts will be a marked improvement over Hans-Beverly combined. (I'm counting them as the equivalent of one person primarily due to Hans' unavailability at the beginning and during much of the season.) Talley will be improved with another year under his belt, as will Lewis/Long. And by all accounts THT and Griffin will be better as freshmen than Lewis/Long were this year. Even excluding THT and Griffin, the bench will be better next year, so not sure what your opinion is based upon.

Right on, mate.

We retain four starters. They are likely to improve. Two are freshmen with all the potential in the world and the other is a hard-working sophomore. The last one might finally be healthy again in time for next season and ready to go again.

We lose Jackson, who is a great shooter, but I figure we stay at least even with Shayok, who might be our best player is the leaks are right.

Our last starter/new sixth man in Talley has to improve.

Jacobson will be better than Beverly and Brase.

THT and Griffin have to give you more than Lewis and Long do. One of those two might develop, too, or another surprise from a freshman.

Prohm might not be done. I know we are full, but openings happen. Prohm has not proven the mastery of spring recruiting that Hoiberg did and the market now is very different than in the past, but he still found at least one good JUCO in Jackson and some good red-shirts in Shayok and Jacobson. We might still add something.

I do not think this team is going to be at the top of the conference, but I expect them to be in the fray in the middle and make the NCAA tournament as my goal.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Excited for next year's roster improvements through both experience and talent upgrades, but as I look at projected lineups I wonder where improved outside shooting will come from. As people have stated among other things, inconsistent outside shooting has been an issue this season.

We can assume some personal improvements out of Wigginton and Babb, but can't imagine Shayok is an improvement over Jackson (strictly 3pt shooting). So if anything, on the surface it seems like a possible decline in outside shooting just when looking at 1-3. It seems THT is a capable outside shooter, so some added depth there, but like this yr there doesn't seem to be the obvious knockdown outside shooter to come in for quick offense that we've become accustomed to. I know that was expected out of Lewis, so hopefully his confidence and defense will improve exponentially next yr.

Like I said, excited for next yr's roster specifically the added interior depth. However, it seems like the outside shooting issue will still be there. Not many people are discussing that, so maybe I'm totally missing something.

Thoughts??

 

[kccyclone3]

I'm really rooting for Lewis I think hes got a ton of potential. But he looks so timid out there and just an overall lack of aggressiveness on defense. Hope he can make strides like Naz did going into his soph year.

 

[jsb]

We have been able to go 5 on 5 for the most part. We have two sit-out transfers that are healthy and we've always had 8 players available for every game that I recall.

Brase, Long, Talley and Babb have all been banged up, but usually not more than 2 at a time.

Wrong. Jacobson was hurt. Brase was injured the same time as long and tally. We haven’t been able to go 5 on 5 much.

 

[RonBurgundy]

Like others, my main concern for 18-19 is the need for consistent 3 point shooting to open up the floor. I assumed the stats this year would be fairly ugly. This has the potential to be our worst 3 pt shooting year since 14-15. We definitely could use a step back up. Not sure where it comes from. Wiggington is shooting a decent % for the year, but looks like he is running into the proverbial freshman wall.



We will definitely be improved from this year and I would expect us to be in the hunt for NCAA.

 

[WalkingCY]

I'm just going to throw this out there:

OU last year finished 11-20 (5-13). LAST YEAR after having a nice run of things themselves, including a Final 4 appearance. What a difference a year makes with a great recruiting class. (And yes, ISU has a phenomenal top 20 recruiting class coming in next year.)

ISU was due this downtrodden year due the CFH coaching change. The team is just too injured and we missed on Brown/Juiston. If we had those guys, ISU is likely in the mix right now.

I'm just glad our best players are Wiggs and Lard. Surround them with better talent next season, and ISU will be back to business as usual in this program. I see them finishing anywhere from 3rd-6th in the league next year, and back where ISU belongs, in the NCAA tournament.

The rest of this year is about experience and winning 2 games in the BIG 12 tourney IMO. Just too inconsistent of a squad, but they have shown some flashes, something that embarrassing OU team didn't last season. (ISU at least has a couple wins over top 10/15 rated squads.)

 

[Sigmapolis]

I'm just going to throw this out there:

OU last year finished 11-20 (5-13). LAST YEAR. What a difference a year makes with a great recruiting class. (And yes, ISU has a phenomenal top 20 recruiting class coming in next year.)

ISU was due this downtrodden year due the CFH coaching change. The team is just too injured and we missed on Brown/Juiston. If we had those guys, ISU is likely in the mix right now.

I'm just glad our best players are Wiggs and Lard. Surround them with better talent next season, and ISU will be back to business as usual in this program. I see them finishing anywhere from 3rd-6th in the league next year, and back where ISU belongs, in the NCAA tournament.

The rest of this year is about experience and winning 2 games in the BIG 12 tourney IMO. Just too inconsistent of a squad, but they have shown some flashes, something that embarrassing OU team didn't last season. (ISU at least has a couple wins over top 10/15 rated squads.)

I said this before, but if our rotation was something like...

Wiggington
Jackson
Brown
Weiler-Babb
Talley
Juiston
Lard
Young

...we would be so much better. We would be deeper, more flexible, could play faster, and could absorb fouls and injuries in ways we cannot right now.

Maybe not winning the conference, but at least fighting for the NCAA tournament.

 

[megamanxzero35]

Like others, my main concern for 18-19 is the need for consistent 3 point shooting to open up the floor. I assumed the stats this year would be fairly ugly. This has the potential to be our worst 3 pt shooting year since 14-15. We definitely could use a step back up. Not sure where it comes from. Wiggington is shooting a decent % for the year, but looks like he is running into the proverbial freshman wall.

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We will definitely be improved from this year and I would expect us to be in the hunt for NCAA.

Yep. Same here. Shayok is a career 37% shooter. That is good. And sounds like Jacobson has also added a 3 point shot but I'll wait and see on that.

Big hope is for Lewis/Long to gain more confidence in their shot. I have more faith in Lewis doing that only judging him from videos and shoot arounds.

 

[Deleted member 8507]

Again? You living in 2001?

In today's college basketball, with the way fouls are called to help ther offense, there's no such thing as really good defenses.

There's teams that slow down the game, and don't allow high point totals, and there's ultra athletic teams, with length, that are able to get stops when they need to. Hopefully Iowa St can be close to the latter.

I looked at play by play from last night. Last 16 minutes, ISU called for 12 fouls, Taco Tech called for 2 fouls. Not the difference in the game, but inconsistent at a minimum. Poor shooting hurt more than foul consistency.

 

[Go2Guy]

You can buy the package now which includes a hotel straight from the tourney website. Something like 2k a person. https://www.wynjade.com/mauiinvitational18/pricing.html Ticket only packages get released in August. I'm gonna take the gamble and wait until August since I have hotel points to pay for my hotel. If they are sold out then I will buy off stub hub or scalp. At the very worst I will be in Hawaii for a vacation. The horror....

Thanks for the update; because of my business travels, I can cash in my hotel points, so I just need game tix, but I was concerned that, with many high-major teams and a small gym (is it something like 5K capacity, or smaller?) there would only be tix available to big donors. Yeah, a Hawaiin vacay would be nice for my third time, but I really wanna see my Clones

 

[TheJackWePack5]

I'm just going to throw this out there:

OU last year finished 11-20 (5-13). LAST YEAR after having a nice run of things themselves, including a Final 4 appearance. What a difference a year makes with a great recruiting class. (And yes, ISU has a phenomenal top 20 recruiting class coming in next year.)

ISU was due this downtrodden year due the CFH coaching change. The team is just too injured and we missed on Brown/Juiston. If we had those guys, ISU is likely in the mix right now.

I'm just glad our best players are Wiggs and Lard. Surround them with better talent next season, and ISU will be back to business as usual in this program. I see them finishing anywhere from 3rd-6th in the league next year, and back where ISU belongs, in the NCAA tournament.

The rest of this year is about experience and winning 2 games in the BIG 12 tourney IMO. Just too inconsistent of a squad, but they have shown some flashes, something that embarrassing OU team didn't last season. (ISU at least has a couple wins over top 10/15 rated squads.)

Pretty good comparison. Jordan Woodard getting injured during Big 12 play was probably similar to ISU losing NWB as well.

I think 2018-2019 for ISU depends mostly on getting more shooters on the floor, and having a 3rd player that is able to take it to the rack (Shayok/THT).

 

[ca4cy]

Excited for next year's roster improvements through both experience and talent upgrades, but as I look at projected lineups I wonder where improved outside shooting will come from. As people have stated among other things, inconsistent outside shooting has been an issue this season.

We can assume some personal improvements out of Wigginton and Babb, but can't imagine Shayok is an improvement over Jackson (strictly 3pt shooting). So if anything, on the surface it seems like a possible decline in outside shooting just when looking at 1-3. It seems THT is a capable outside shooter, so some added depth there, but like this yr there doesn't seem to be the obvious knockdown outside shooter to come in for quick offense that we've become accustomed to. I know that was expected out of Lewis, so hopefully his confidence and defense will improve exponentially next yr.

Like I said, excited for next yr's roster specifically the added interior depth. However, it seems like the outside shooting issue will still be there. Not many people are discussing that, so maybe I'm totally missing something.

Thoughts??

I've wondered the same thing, but at the same time Wiggy is looking solid as a 3 point shooter and Shayok is above average. At this point I'd settle for a steady 12-15 ppg from Shayok as opposed to the roller coaster DJack give us. I love the kid but it's tough to get 25 one night and 6 the next, and if he can't hit from 3 his value greatly diminishes. My GUESS is that Shayok will be a lot better finishing around the rim, and that may well make up for any drop off in 3 point shooting as opposed to Jackson, plus I'd be more than willing to be that he'll be a much better and more flexible defender.

 

[I-stateTheTruth]

Excited for next year's roster improvements through both experience and talent upgrades, but as I look at projected lineups I wonder where improved outside shooting will come from. As people have stated among other things, inconsistent outside shooting has been an issue this season.

We can assume some personal improvements out of Wigginton and Babb, but can't imagine Shayok is an improvement over Jackson (strictly 3pt shooting). So if anything, on the surface it seems like a possible decline in outside shooting just when looking at 1-3. It seems THT is a capable outside shooter, so some added depth there, but like this yr there doesn't seem to be the obvious knockdown outside shooter to come in for quick offense that we've become accustomed to. I know that was expected out of Lewis, so hopefully his confidence and defense will improve exponentially next yr.

Like I said, excited for next yr's roster specifically the added interior depth. However, it seems like the outside shooting issue will still be there. Not many people are discussing that, so maybe I'm totally missing something.

Thoughts??

Yeah, I've had the same thought on shooting for next year. I'm glad that Wiggy has turned out better than I would have guessed and I hold out hope for Lewis, who has size and very good mechanics. But it still seems like we'd need more shooters to stretch the floor and if there ends up being an opening or two for scholarships, I'm sure CSP will go after a shooter.

Is there a Tyrus Mc3 somewhere in the JUCO ranks ...