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FinalFourCy

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I wasn't making that argument. Of course anyone can beat anyone. But surly said that Weber was beat by a far superior team. Part of coaching is making sure that after more than 5 years a coach has a lot of talent.
Losing to a top-10 team that’s likely to win the conference is truly the sign of poor coaching. If you don’t have a better team each year, you’re not good enough.

Has Duke fired Coach K yet for his loss to St Johns? I mean, he’s way past 5 years at a much better program.
 

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Losing to a top-10 team that’s likely to win the conference is truly the sign of poor coaching. If you don’t have a better team each year, you’re not good enough.

Has Duke fired Coach K yet for his loss to St Johns? I mean, he’s way past 5 years at a much better program.

Except that is what Bruce Weber always does. Even in the year he tied Kansas for the title, he lost to Kansas three times by a combined 41 points.
 

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Except that is what Bruce Weber always does. Even in the year he tied Kansas for the title, he lost to Kansas three times by a combined 41 points.
Consistently losing to conference champions (KU) is something you’ll consistently find on the resume of middle of the pack P5 coaches.

Perhaps I don’t respect KSU enough, but 4 tournaments in 6 years is good at KSU, particularly when it includes a conference title.
 
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Consistently losing to conference champions (KU) is something you’ll consistently find on the resume of middle of the pack P5 coaches

We get it. You love Bruce Weber.
 

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Consistently losing to conference champions (KU) is something you’ll consistently find on the resume of middle of the pack P5 coaches
Except that year they were also conference champions, and lost to KU 3 times by a combined 41 points. Win just one of those games, and they have bragging rights against their biggest rival.

Pretty much every P5 fanbase would be pissed if there was a job opening at their school and Bruce Weber was named their coach. No other coach in the league has that level of disdain.
 

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We get it, you can’t defend your contention.

Next time think more and use less emotion.
LOL there is more than enough defending on Bruce Weber suck in here, you just refuse to take it. Like I said, name me 1 P5 program's fanbase that would rejoice over a Bruce Weber hire. Now name 1 other Big 12 coach that would be celebrated less than Bruce Weber if hired by another P5 program.
 

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I’ll chime in on projected Final Four discussion.

To simplify, assume in-season “reveal” held to form, both with seeding and bracketing. If an updated version was released today, I assume OU would be outside top 16, but I’ll roll with it as-is. Also won’t try to guess teams seeded 5 or lower that advance past Sweet 16 (at least a few instances of that will occur).

ELITE 8
South
1. Virginia
3. Michigan State
West
4. Arizona
3. North Carolina
East**
1. Villanova
2. Duke
Midwest
1. Xavier
3. Clemson

FINAL FOUR from that grouping
3. Michigan State
3. North Carolina
1. Villanova
1. Xavier*

* With committee's regional arrangement, Midwest seems the most likely to “blow up” (i.e., multiple top 4 seeds losing before round of 32).

** Villanova-Duke would be entertaining E8 matchup, if nothing else --- I could imagine 180-plus points scored in regulation.
 

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Smart was the worst hire in the conference. Texas is one of the few schools that can pick from a very large pool. They fired a coach that was much better than the one they hired. Smart never won a conference title at VCU. He owes Bill Self quite a bit because Self did his usual fall in the Elite 8 and allowed Smart into the Final Four which eventually got him a gig in Austin.
 
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Smart was the worst hire in the conference. Texas is one of the few schools that can pick from a very large pool. They fired a coach that was much better than the one they hired. Smart never won a conference title at VCU. He owes Bill Self quite a bit because Self did his usual fall in the Elite 8 and allowed Smart into the Final Four which eventually got him a gig in Austin.

The only thing more amazing than my defense of Bruce are the rationalizations of Shaka's greatness. He's their Charlie Strong. Solid, mid-major coach in absolutely the wrong place. Lost again last night in Austin after being out-coached by Scott Drew.
 
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I'll throw my hat in the ring:

1) Self
2) Huggy
3) Kruger
4) Drew
5) Dixon
6) Prohm
7) Weber
8) Beard
9) Smart
10) Boynton

The ones I strugged with were:

2/3-- Huggy and Kruger. Both guys with awesome track records. I think Huggy has done a little more in the college game, but honestly if I'm starting a team tomorrow I'd pick Kruger over Huggy. Those really could be 2a and 2b

Dixon I ranked higher than most. I think he's done a nice job with TCU, and he's really building something there. He also had some really, really good teams with Pitt.

I'll admit Prohm might be some homerism, but I couldn't put Weber over him. Weber has carved out a career with prior coaches player and has done little on his own.

I also put Beard a little lower than most. I think we are victims of the moment a bit with him. He's got a very good, very senior team this year. Otherwise, I'm not sure he's done enough to warrant putting him ahead of guys like Dixon, Prohm, Weber.
 

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I personally think Huggy is a better coach than Self, not that Self isn't good. It's Kansas, people! How many McDonalds AA does KU get, versus anyone wanting to go to WVA? In mho, there is shady stuff that goes on at Kansas.
 

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Scott Drew and Lon Kruger's career winning percentages are 61, Prohm at ISU is 63, Bruce Weber's 65% for his career.

you have to factor in the fact that Drew came in after Baylor almost got the ax and had their scholarships cut down and a then had non-conference ban. To turn around what he started with and be a top team in the conference, consistent qualifier in the NCAAs and put his team in a position to have a chance to make a deep run in the tournament would make him a top 3/4 coach in the conference.
 
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I've long defended Scott Drew. I believe he's as underrated as any coach in the land. And I haven't seen anything to suggest he's done it on the cheat like Self and Hugs.
 
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So how long does Smart last at Texas? I think they will miss out again this year and they have the most talent from a recruiting ranking standpoint than any other team besides KU.
 

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LOL there is more than enough defending on Bruce Weber suck in here, you just refuse to take it. Like I said, name me 1 P5 program's fanbase that would rejoice over a Bruce Weber hire. Now name 1 other Big 12 coach that would be celebrated less than Bruce Weber if hired by another P5 program.

Boynton.
 

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