Getting top of the line Grad transfers isn't going to happen like it did with Hoiberg. Everybody is going after them now. Beverly was recruited after we missed, he was probably the 10th choice. Grad transfers are not the route to go right now for ISU if they want to be a contender. I don't expect to see another Kane walk through the doors at ISU, I expect role players now like Talley and Bowie.
Start of the Second Half Stat
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There were plenty of games they shot pretty poorly from 3 and won the game because of their efficiency in the lane, i.e. look at the KU game that preceded the UAB game. ISU shot .125% from 3 for the game but shot .545 % from 2 and shot 24 FTs. UAB was more attitude than scheme.
Isn’t it a problem for most teams that they’ll struggle if they miss good shots? A one game sample of one of the worst overall performances is misleading. The issues with the Hoiberg philosophy are exclusively on defense and rebounding. Those issues did limit contingent wins on off nights.
In 2013-14 we were 3rd in 2FG attempts, 2nd in 2FG%, despite being 7th in 3P%. In 2014–15 we led the Big 12 in 2P% that year and were first in 2FG makes. Any team could use a Fizer, but that team doesn’t get better passing up open looks to force twos against a packed in defense.
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Yeah I agree with not getting someone like Kane, but there are definitely players out there (like Shayok). Missing on several prospects killed us as well.
We didn’t get the top ones then. Hoiberg was good at identifying fit and getting discounted goods that would be better in his system. BDJ would be the closest, but he wasn’t the difference between success and failure.
The transfer recruits Hoiberg got are not significantly harder to get, Prohm just didn’t have the success. Hopefully Prohm learned some lessons and Talley, Shayok, and Jacobson are more indicative of his future recruiting.
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As Rochclone says we are being outscored by an average of 3 points to start the second half. I think we have evidence why it is important not to give up that wide open three early in the second half, we usually do (not going to name names here). I'll tell the guys. Problem solved.
The rebounding problem should not be a surprise. Generally speaking, the teams we play have guys who are stronger and better athletes than our players. We do not control the spot(strength) and are often out jumped or out quicked. Bless their hearts, but Beverly is just too short with limited jumping ability, and Brace due to injuries has about a 1” vertical. Lard is good depending upon his attitude that particular day. Solo was not a good rebounder until about the second half of the season. The light did seem to go on for him. Babb is very good for a point guard, but hurt obviously. Tally seems like he should be better, Lewis not a strength, long does OK but does not have the natural athletic ability. For improvement next year, Solo needs to continue his improvement, Lard needs to get his head on straight all the time, Jacobson will likely help in this area, get Babb Healthy and Shyok may be a plus with his size and jumping ability.
What I generally noticed is even if Solo isn't getting the rebounds our team rebounds much better with him in as he is good at boxing out and letting one of our other guys get to the ball first. So he needs to work on breaking from the box out and attacking the ball a little more but even if he continues the way he is he is definitely a huge benefit.
You are Ignoring the numbers. -101 point differential for the year in Big 12 games. Almost 45% of that point differential is occurring in a specific 1/8 segment of the game. That is a fairly decent discrepancy and one that is not explained by lack of depth.
I'll agree that does not look good. I would like to see the +/- for each 4 minute segment, too see how it compares. There's probably a segment that they looked really good consistently. For instance, I thought they started games really well this year.
I get it though, fix the 4 minutes after half,and you're probably looking at a better record.
It's explained back a lack of quality depth and a lack of multifaceted players. That's the difference. Go up and down the roster and tell me someone that has more than one offensive strength. About the only one I can think of is Wigginton can drive and can shoot from outside. Everyone else is kind of a one trick pony. Jackson and Lewis shoot threes. Talley and Long slash. Beverly is good for an uncontested jumpshot. Lard is, for the most part, a pick-and-roll player. Solo, when playing, is also really just a pick and roll type player.
So when the opponent goes to halftime, they adjust. They know what we are going to do and they have 20 minutes to discuss how to stop it. They also have other offensive options that they can try. The shooters aren't shooting, then get the ball to the drivers. The drivers aren't driving, get the ball to the post. The post players aren't converting, kick it out to the shooters to give it another shot.
We, on the other hand, really can only play one way. What do we want coach to "adjust"? Get Beverly in more isos? Get DJax in the post? Run Brase off some screens? Again, when most of your guys do one thing well, you can't get overly creative in your adjustments. You just have to ride it out and hope for the best.
I agree we only have so many cards to play, and that manifests in the other team being able to easily counter at the half.
But we also are often guilty of self-inflicted stagnation. We do a lot of standing and a lot of over-dribbling. You’d be amazed at how multifaceted guys can look when there’s an emphasis on things that stress the defense like rotating the ball and feeding the post. How we’ve utilized Talley suggests we leave adjustments on the table.
We lost Georges, Monte, Matt, Naz... that's a lot of leadership. That team coached itself when it came to offense. I think personel is the biggest issue, but next year will tell us if it really is one of Prohm's weaknesses.
I wish I had had you as a boss.
I'm in my second year as a manager, whose just taken over for a VP that left a full experienced sales team. I'm making $2mil+, where $500k buys you the best house in town, and my boss is giving me a pass. Wowzer. Luv ya. C'mon over to the house for some beers.
If there was clear evidence that there was a natural reason that this year would be a down year (the unavoidable loss of your four best people in Morris, Long, Thomas and Burton) and clear evidence that your key additions would take a year or so to truly pay off (Wigginton, Lard, Lewis, Shayok, Jacobson) and also clear evidence that your next group of key people were going to be good (see 2018 recruiting class), I wouldn't call it a pass. I would call it using this year as the transition year that builds with an eye toward the future. The entire strategy screams valuing long term success over short term patching.
I think another part of it is there are just times of the games that the more talented teams lock in. Like it or not, we are the floor of the Big 12 this year and teams know it when they play us. That's why we see our team fall apart at the end of the 1st half, first 4 of the second, and then the final 6 minutes. More talented teams lock in at those moments and our inexperienced team allows bad defensive possessions lead to worse offensive possessions during these times.
