Condi's report due Wed - here's what could be done?

[randomfan44]

Simple rule that coaches are not allowed to attend third party games beyond those held by high schools. It does everything to eliminate these AAU cesspools that feed the crooks.

None of the issues brought forth by the FBI have anything to do with AAU. Eliminating them changes nothing but how prepared for college recruits will be. Shoe companies would be even more interested in trying to get their hooks into kids if they didn't feel they had then hooked on brand loyalty through their AAU program. And runners for agents and financial advisors would be completely unaffected.

 

[randomfan44]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ollege-basketball-shares-recommendations-ncaa

Lots of whining and harsher punishments but not a lot of actual action that will lead to an end of any of the problems. Pretty much exactly what I expected.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Anticipated reaction to the "big" report...............

 

[surly]

The report gets at the nub of many issues that we've outlined before.

1. The AAU circuit is a pit and needs to go away.
2. Agents need to be recognized and registered
3. 1&done needs to go away one way or the other - the final bullet would be freshman ineligibility
4. Undrafted kids should be allowed back
5. Nail cheating coaches
6. Separate enforcement from the NCAA cabal

Now, we'll see what the academics do with it.

 

[rholtgraves]

I wonder how much they paid for this when they could have come up with this on their own?

 

[rholtgraves]

"We don't believe that the NCAA can legislate in this area until the legal parameters become clearer."

This line cracked me up from Condi regarding player likeness. In other words, we won't say it is ok until a court says we have to allow it.

 

[rholtgraves]

Also, how do they propose making private companies open their books for them to show them where there money is going? That is a non-starter. Nike isn't going to go the the NCAA and say ",here look at all our finances."

Additionally, if you have NCAA HS summer tournament events, you don't think the NCAA is going to try and profit off of that like they do everything else? BS. They will turn it into some big ESPN summer event.

Limiting the ability of coaches to go out and evaluate and recruit would only hinder schools like Iowa State who can't rely on just showing up to an event and offering a 5 star and landing them. ISU has to rely on building relationships over time. You will here recruits say "Prohm was at every one of my games. and that showed I was a priority". You take that away and Prohm is just one of 300 coaches at the one summer event allowed and that hurts the chances of landing a recruit over a bigger name school or flashier school like Oregon.

 

[surly]

The AAU is an uncontrolled pit and one of the key monsters in what's wrong with college recruiting. That, coupled with 1&done mentalities and commercial interests have ruined the college landscape. They need to be dealt with.

Coaches not allowed to attend AAU or similar events dries up the AAU demand. It's simple. No demand, no business.

 

[rholtgraves]

The AAU is an uncontrolled pit and one of the key monsters in what's wrong with college recruiting. That, coupled with 1&done mentalities and commercial interests have ruined the college landscape. They need to be dealt with.

Coaches not allowed to attend AAU or similar events dries up the AAU demand. It's simple. No demand, no business.

AAU is a convenient scapegoat.

 

[surly]

AAU is a convenient scapegoat.

I'm not surprised that a J'hawk fan would defend the AAU system. No program has benefited more.

 

[rholtgraves]

I'm not surprised that a J'hawk fan would defend the AAU system. No program has benefited more.

I am not surprised a KState fan is so simple-minded.
Every school benefits from the AAU system. You know who benefits more if you limit the opportunities to interact with and scout players? The blue bloods.

 

[surly]

I am not surprised a KState fan is so simple-minded.
Every school benefits from the AAU system. You know who benefits more if you limit the opportunities to interact with and scout players? The blue bloods.

This, of course, is not about interacting with and scouting players, it's about bribing them to play for Ku, Louisville, South Carolina, Duke and the rest. Closing or cutting off the conduit where that happens is a good first step.

 

[randomfan44]

I'm not surprised that a J'hawk fan would defend the AAU system. No program has benefited more.

Good grief. Does Kansas State (or any other P5 team) have any scholarship players that didnt play AAU? I doubt it.

And Rice's proposal is to have the ncaa take over some of the summer tourneys from AAU, which means that now the ncaa can start making money off these kids while they are still in high school instead of having to wait until they come to college.

The notion that additional ncaa involvement makes the summer recruiting season "cleaner" is HILARIOUS.

 

[rholtgraves]

This, of course, is not about interacting with and scouting players, it's about bribing them to play for Ku, Louisville, South Carolina, Duke and the rest. And closing or cutting the conduit where that happens is a good first step.

Answer me this one question. Were players paid before AAU?

 

[randomfan44]

This, of course, is not about interacting with and scouting players, it's about bribing them to play for Ku, Louisville, South Carolina, Duke and the rest. Closing or cutting off the conduit where that happens is a good first step.

This doesnt close anything, it just decentralizes recruiting opportunities. Now the schools have to spend a ton of money to hustle all over the nation instead of having 100 recruits all playing at the same tourney. This means the schools with high dollar recruiting budgets thrive while the rest flounder.

 

[surly]

AAU coaches were clearly bribed. Josh Jackson's mom, a family member as well as an AAU principal, being a clear example J'hawks would relate to.

And the goal here is not to make recruiting easy by ditching the AAU system. The goal is to clean up the recruiting landscape.

 

[randomfan44]

Igniring surly's aau hissy fit to attempt to get back on topic, the report today was basically a giant punt. They really offered up no changes that would fundamentally change the problems that exist today in that shie companies and runners have the desire to use money to get in with players and to steer them towards certain schools.

Nothing they offered up today changes that. They whined about tbe problem but did nothing to help correct it.

 

[surly]

The report absolutely gets at the nub of many issues that we've outlined before. These are recommendations not actions. Call them a punt if you choose, but it's the classic straw man argument, and we all recognize that. The committee wasn't empowered to act. This is what they said.

1. The AAU circuit is a pit and needs to go away.
2. Agents need to be recognized and registered.
3. 1&done needs to go away one way or the other - the final bullet would be freshman ineligibility
4. Undrafted kids should be allowed back in college and collegiate hoops.
5. Nail cheating coaches.
6. Separate enforcement from the NCAA cabal.

Now, we'll see what the academics do with it.

 

[jcyclonee]

This is fascinating. With the exception of @BoxsterCy's image, the whole second page of this thread (on an ISU fan site) has become a battleground between supporters of teams from the Sunflower State. I wish we could get a Wichita State fan in here, too.

 

[BoxsterCy]

This is fascinating. With the exception of @BoxsterCy's image, the whole second page of this thread (on an ISU fan site) has become a battleground between supporters of teams from the Sunflower State. I wish we could get a Wichita State fan in here, too.

I don't like Rice much (at all) but if her report recommends air strikes against both KU and KSU I'm on board. Hell, carpet bomb the whole ******* state!