ISU Student and Champion Golfer Celia Barquin Arozamena Murdered at Coldwater Golf Course

[bawbie]

No, but allowing the fox den to be built next to the chicken coop is asking for trouble.

I'm pretty sure that's a horrible analogy.

 

[ksclone2]

Reading this thread is so disheartening. Not only am I sad for the loss, I am sad that this has turned into a political cluster. Take it to the cave.

This thread should be about Celia only. She is probably the best golfer Iowa State has ever had. A true talent. I would hope that Pollard would consider possibly renaming Veenker, or at a minimum, the practice facility after her.

 

[madguy30]

Why should we have to provide a person like this three squares a day, a roof over his head and a warm bed to sleep in for the next 60 plus years? This is exactly why Iowa should have the death penalty. $31,000 a year on average to house a prison inmate. I’ll do the math...$1,860,000 in today’s dollars for one inmate. That, my friends, is a lot of teacher salaries, educational supplies, tax savings, reduced tuition, infrastructure improvements, cleaner water. Need I go on?

Haha, you think that's going to go to teacher's salaries and public education and cleaner water?

I said it earlier: heard yesterday that fantasy football is a $7 billion industry.

People can't ***** about costs of things like prison if they're collectively putting money toward something that has no general contribution to society.

 

[bawbie]

Reading this thread is so disheartening. Not only am I sad for the loss, I am sad that this has turned into a political cluster. Take it to the cave.

This thread should be about Celia only. She is probably the best golfer Iowa State has ever had. A true talent. I would hope that Pollard would consider possibly renaming Veenker, or at a minimum, the practice facility after her.

They should rename Coldwater, and erect a memorial at the 9th tee, but it is too early to make those decisions.

 

[TXCyclones]

Not sure if anybody in IA remembers but something "somewhat" similar happened two years ago in Austin on UT's campus. A homeless kid killed a student. Yes, the population of Austin is higher, so the odds are seemingly higher. But it can happen anywhere, and be equally senseless just the same.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...niversity-texas-student-haruka-weiser-n552991

 

[bawbie]

Echoing the previous poster - I do think it is important to keep this thread about this case and Celia in particular.

Discussions about homelessness in general and the death penalty should be taken to the cave.

 

[mplueg]

Why should we have to provide a person like this three squares a day, a roof over his head and a warm bed to sleep in for the next 60 plus years? This is exactly why Iowa should have the death penalty. $31,000 a year on average to house a prison inmate. I’ll do the math...$1,860,000 in today’s dollars for one inmate. That, my friends, is a lot of teacher salaries, educational supplies, tax savings, reduced tuition, infrastructure improvements, cleaner water. Need I go on?

First off, I agree with you - However, I did a debate way back in high school where I had to defend not having the death penalty. During that research, I actually found that it costs way more to execute an inmate than it does to keep them in prison for life. This is due to all the appeals and such. Once again, I agree with you but systems are very messed up!

 

[CycloneErik]

@bawbie: I would have included the word "champion" in the thread title, just since Celia did win that championship.

 

[drlove]

after learning about this tragedy, I wanted to learn more about who Celia was, so I went to cyclones.com. there was a video interview of her from the spring that is hard to watch today. She was a special individual.

 

[JaCyn]

I think the death penalty should only apply if the defendant willingly admits to the crime and cooperates fully. If that means criminals lie to get lip then so be it. At least the wrongly accused/prosecuted still keep their lives.

If life in prison is worse, than why would you want to do that to them.

 

[67CY]

Not even Hilton Coliseum is safe Randy. Gfd he’s just awful at his job.

He just never ceases to amaze me?

 

[ArgentCy]

That is how it worked back in the days of Kings. America was pretty unique and brought about the idea of jurisdiction and law.

 

[ArgentCy]

I haven't played that course since they only had like 12 holes and the ones west of Worrell Creek didn't exist. Is Hole 9 the dog leg left around the large pond? Man they built those apartments right near that pond and many would have views of most of the course. Such a brazen attack in the middle of the day...

 

[Showtimeljs]

I understand what you are saying, but 1 horrible incident by 1 person associated with the camp doesn't make campus or Ames unsafe. Fact is most people probably didn't even know there were homeless camps in the area because there are hardly any incidents.

But by all means carry on with the over reaction.

This is a pretty serious single incident, a murder every 10 years isn't acceptable to me. By area I was thinking of the area around the camp, not all of Ames or even campus.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

I had been holding up until hearing Pollard's presser around 2:30 today. It immediately had me in tears. From the fact she was supposed to get her female athlete of the year award this Saturday to the words from her family that if she had to do it all again she would. I can't believe such a tragedy has hit our beloved university. A little bit of every Iowa Stater's innocence has been taken by this.

I have to work but I wish l could be at this game Saturday. I hope everyone going thinks about wearing yellow and gets into the stadium when her memory is honored.

 

[MeowingCows]

If life in prison is worse, than why would you want to do that to them.

Because that would at least be an actual punishment, unlike death for someone with nothing to lose or care about. Nor does killing another person relieve the pain of the first murder.

 

[SCarolinaCy]

You should feel bad for how dumb some of the posts you've made are.

Be vigilant as you want. Bad people do bad things and in a lot of cases there was nothing anyone could do. There is no perfect answer. Deal with it.

There are what, 350 million people in the United States? There are bad apples among us. Period. No matter how stupid the good people get with their ideas, nothing will ever stop evil completely.

Personal attacks aside. Naivety aside.

Without question, had Celia known that (some small amount of) vigilance was required, on that golf course at that moment, she would be alive today. No, she did not know. Had she known, she would have been watchful. She would have used all her earthly power and weapons at hand. To SCREAM, TO RUN, To FOIL her attacker.

 

[bawbie]

Personal attacks aside. Naivety aside.

Without question, had Celia known that (some small amount of) vigilance was required, on that golf course at that moment, she would be alive today. No, she did not know. Had she known, she would have been watchful. She would have used all her earthly power and weapons at hand. To SCREAM, TO RUN, To FOIL her attacker.

don't do this. just don't blame the victim.

 

[alarson]

Without question, had Celia known that (some small amount of) vigilance was required, on that golf course at that moment, she would be alive today.

There is no way you can say that for certain.

 

[jsb]

Personal attacks aside. Naivety aside.

Without question, had Celia known that (some small amount of) vigilance was required, on that golf course at that moment, she would be alive today. No, she did not know. Had she known, she would have been watchful. She would have used all her earthly power and weapons at hand. To SCREAM, TO RUN, To FOIL her attacker.

I know you didn’t mean it like that but you come awfully close to victim shaming.

You have no idea what she did or didn’t do. You don’t know that she wasn't aware of her surroundings. She obviously tried to fight back. Her killer had a knife.