ISU Student and Champion Golfer Celia Barquin Arozamena Murdered at Coldwater Golf Course

[MartyFine]

well there goes the small chatter about yellow uniforms

Does ISU have yellow uniforms?

 

[Al_4_State]

That's just the helmet...

And it's going to be on all helmets for the rest of the year, so the white and black lids will be getting it too.

 

[TXCyclones]

Does ISU have yellow uniforms?

Had...

 

[BCClone]

Had...

Youngest has #45 of those.

 

[Dandy]

Is this idiot going to take this to a trial or is it so obvious he can go straight to rotting for the rest of his life?

Should "Innocent until proven guilty" happen here?

 

[VeloClone]

Is this idiot going to take this to a trial or is it so obvious he can go straight to rotting for the rest of his life?

Should "Innocent until proven guilty" happen here?

Absolutely it should. How people are treated in our justice system says a lot about our society.

 

[theshadow]

What happened to Veenker? Isn't that part of the college and why would they not practice there?

Rumor was that Veenker was making the teams pay full price on everything, all the way down to a bucket of range balls. They got a better deal elsewhere.

 

[Doc]

Is this idiot going to take this to a trial or is it so obvious he can go straight to rotting for the rest of his life?

Should "Innocent until proven guilty" happen here?

I'm not a lawyer, and don't know how 1st/2nd degree murder exactly work, but I suppose they could go to trial and argue against the 1st degree charge, considering it seems like it's only the word of that one person that makes it seem premeditated. This kid is young and, shudder the tought, but he could potentially see the light of day again.

 

[ScottyP]

Kudos to the police department for quickly identifying and apprehending the suspect.

 

[BCClone]

I'm not a lawyer, and don't know how 1st/2nd degree murder exactly work, but I suppose they could go to trial and argue against the 1st degree charge, considering it seems like it's only the word of that one person that makes it seem premeditated.

Pretty easy first imo. He didn’t happen to just be standing on the course. He did stuff ahead to initiate it. Only chance would be if he got hit by her ball or something.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

He could potentially be long gone if he didn't come back for his tent? Wow.

 

[alenz95]

I'm not a lawyer, and don't know how 1st/2nd degree murder exactly work, but I suppose they could go to trial and argue against the 1st degree charge, considering it seems like it's only the word of that one person that makes it seem premeditated. This kid is young and, shudder the tought, but he could potentially see the light of day again.

The planning/ intent requirement separating first degree murder from second degree murder can be inferred by the use of a deadly weapon. Basically as long as the knife was his, and he used the knife in the killing of another person, he has satisfied the requisite intent for first degree murder.

 

[Doc]

Pretty easy first imo. He didn’t happen to just be standing on the course. He did stuff ahead to initiate it. Only chance would be if he got hit by her ball or something.

The planning/ intent requirement separating first degree murder from second degree murder can be inferred by the use of a deadly weapon. Basically as long as the knife was his, and he used the knife in the killing of another person, he has satisfied the requisite intent for first degree murder.

Good. Thanks guys.

 

[RonBurgundy]

I'm not a lawyer, and don't know how 1st/2nd degree murder exactly work, but I suppose they could go to trial and argue against the 1st degree charge, considering it seems like it's only the word of that one person that makes it seem premeditated. This kid is young and, shudder the tought, but he could potentially see the light of day again.

I agree. Glad both he and Tibbetts killer are charged with 1st degree, but it seems both could make the argument that it was a spontaneous act and try to get pleaded down to 2nd. Or both argue that they are NG by Insanity. Puke.

Put them both in a cage match with their choice of weapon, knife. Jail the survivor.

 

[Chitowncy]

No doubt this is right, but something like this makes me so mad that I go through some probably irrational thoughts.
- I get tired of the mentally ill defense with violent crimes. As far as I'm concerned, any person that can commit some crimes like this is mentally ill to some extent. Mentally healthy people don't do that to another human being
- Sure bulldozing the encampment doesn't solve any root causes, but I think it is fair to question why the city/LE would let a group of people who are going to be more prone to drug/alcohol consumption, mental health issues, and potential for violence squat and concentrate in an area, particularly one that is relatively secluded yet adjacent to areas frequented by people, jogging/biking trails. Does it prevent something like this? Doubt it, but I do think there is a danger in allowing an encampment.
-There are two basic sides to both the incarceration and forcible commitment for mental health issues. One is the punishment/rehabilitation (incarceration) and treatment (mental health) side. That seems to get a bulk of the attention and drive decisions. Public safety is not taken into consideration enough in my opinion in theses cases. It is not someone's fault if they have a severe mental health issue that makes them dangerous to society. They still need to be committed for the sake of public safety.
-True, this guys rap sheet isn't filled with acts that come close to something this awful, but at some point it becomes clear that a POS like this has no interest in ever abiding by the law or being anything but a danger and a drag on society. Sentence him based on this, which should be obvious.
-Mental health funding - it's been covered well here.
-Prison overcrowding - as most have said, some prison sentences for non-violent offenses need to be abolished. As for the violent offenders and overcrowding, who gives a ****? Five of pieces of trash like this in an 8'x8' cell with two bunks works for me.

I know some of this may be irrational, but I think many of us are just so pissed off right now it helps to try to reach for anything that can be done.

No doubt and good points. I feel some of those irrational thoughts too. More than anything though, I just feel overwhelming sadness.

 

[madguy30]

Is this idiot going to take this to a trial or is it so obvious he can go straight to rotting for the rest of his life?

Should "Innocent until proven guilty" happen here?

It shouldn't, but it will.

And there's a chance that delays may take place by my understanding.

Reminds me of the kid who shot Coach Thomas--I think they found some way to try to worm out of the original charges. Some lawyers are gross.

 

[ISUTex]

Legalize weed. Tax it. Put revenue towards mental health. And lock up people with a rap sheet like his (and throw away the key).

 

[SolarGarlic]

I think a lot of it has to do with the visibility and connection you have with the victim. As Iowa State alumni and fans it gives us a line to her. It’s along the same line with Mollie Tibbetts. It hurts us because she was an Iowan like most of us(or me a new Iowan.)

I also think it has to do with the fact that she was from Spain and a guest to our country and our school. From reports, it sounds like she loved being here and loved being at Iowa State, and it's a shame that it happened in Ames, an extremely safe place to live.

 

[Dandy]

 

[IcSyU]

Some lawyers are gross.

As much as I don't like it, they're just doing their job. If proper procedure wasn't followed it isn't the lawyer's fault.