Purdy emergence increase odds of keeping CMC?

[Clonefan32]

Their bank accounts would disagree.

So take WIllie Taggart for example. He's set to make 5 million this year, with other incentives he wont hit. Campbell makes 3.5 million, and may get some more with incentives. Sure that 1-1.5 million/year is a big difference. But if Taggart follows the trajectory he is on, he will be without a job in 3 years, whereas Campbell has built enough goodwill here to last several years. So those amounts have to even out over time depending on longevity.

 

[jsb]

The best part is always how far the money goes in Iowa.

Although I don’t think they’re that similar. Fred didn’t try to give the impression he wanted to stay. His low buyout, particularly for the NBA, flirtation with a Minnesota, and inability to tell recruits the rumors were false made it apparent even without the benefit of hindsight. On the other hand, CMC agreed to an unheard of mutually high buyout

That’s a good point. Even the new buyout is very high. And the AD clause is interesting.

 

[FinalFourCy]

So take WIllie Taggart for example. He's set to make 5 million this year, with other incentives he wont hit. Campbell makes 3.5 million, and may get some more with incentives. Sure that 1-1.5 million/year is a big difference. But if Taggart follows the trajectory he is on, he will be without a job in 3 years, whereas Campbell has built enough goodwill here to last several years. So those amounts have to even out over time depending on longevity.

Taggart was slated to make 4 million/year at a place like Oregon. The move to FSU wasn’t really about money but rather about going home. Similarly that’s why many believe the only risk of CMC leaving is at some point going to a place closer to his Ohio base after he’s had some great years here.

 

[Naddafinga]

I just got in my time machine and went into the future. Turns out CMC ends up winning a total of 28 Straight National Championships here. He never leaves. The NCAA deems College Football is no longer fun or fair for anyone else and college football is discontinued at all levels. Leaving the Be All and End All Forever National Champions of the Sport of College Football - you guessed it, Iowa State!
End of discussion!

 

[1976]

My sources say he is going to be here for a very long time. No need to sweat it. There will be rumors, but that's all they will be. He's a Cyclone for as long as we want him.

 

[jsb]

So take WIllie Taggart for example. He's set to make 5 million this year, with other incentives he wont hit. Campbell makes 3.5 million, and may get some more with incentives. Sure that 1-1.5 million/year is a big difference. But if Taggart follows the trajectory he is on, he will be without a job in 3 years, whereas Campbell has built enough goodwill here to last several years. So those amounts have to even out over time depending on longevity.

The thing is I don’t think coaches think that way. They don’t think they’ll ever get fired. They don’t plan for that. It’s not like s coach is going to avoid a job because they think they’ll fail.

 

[BuffettClone]

I just got in my time machine and went into the future. Turns out CMC ends up winning a total of 28 Straight National Championships here. He never leaves. The NCAA deems College Football is no longer fun or fair for anyone else and college football is discontinued at all levels. Leaving the Be All and End All Forever National Champions of the Sport of College Football - you guessed it, Iowa State!
End of discussion!

Are you sure you weren't just playing this out on the Xbox/Playstation? That's usually how my dynasty mode careers work out.

 

[Clonefan32]

The thing is I don’t think coaches think that way. They don’t think they’ll ever get fired. They don’t plan for that. It’s not like s coach is going to avoid a job because they think they’ll fail.

Probably not, but they are smart enough to realize how expectations work. Honestly, in the last 3 years Campbell has built up at least 5-6 years worth of goodwill. Not that this would be the case, but he could be very mediocre for the next 5-6 years before any legitimate concern of his job would exist. You look at guys like Taggart and Frost-- there have already been articles written about how much their buyouts would cost the school. Now they obviously wont be fired within the first year, but how's that for pressure when you could be essentially assured of 5-6 years of complete job security here?

 

[FinalFourCy]

The thing is I don’t think coaches think that way. They don’t think they’ll ever get fired. They don’t plan for that. It’s not like s coach is going to avoid a job because they think they’ll fail.

I agree that coaches don’t shy away from going to an FSU type because they may fail, but I do think some know they need advantages to offset their weaknesses.

I’m not sure Rhoads thought he could win here after Chizik and DMac players had departed. Of course he blamed it on Iowa State, even though he was getting beat by FCS and MAC schools

 

[ruxCYtable]

$$$ and winning will keep him here. Period. He won't leave for a lateral job, so we have to keep climbing the ladder.

 

[SolarGarlic]

After Hoiberg, I'll never believe any coach is above leaving. But I do think people are underestimating the setup we have in Ames. There's a lot of ignorance out there about Ames, about the state of Iowa, about the Big 12, and about the resources at Iowa State. Many pundits, writers, and fans think of Iowa State as Rutgers, Vandy, Washington State, etc. Those schools don't have near the infrastructure or fan support that Iowa State has built in the past 20 years.

That isn't to say that Campbell has it made for life in Ames. It's just that going to a non-blueblood program is more of a lateral move than the outsiders would have you believe. Sure, Tennessee is a superior program to Iowa State, but is Tennessee the end goal for Matt Campbell? Why would he start over at Tennessee when he has already built Iowa State to a respectable level and appears to be trending upward? So he can go 9-3 in the SEC and get hounded by the loons in SEC country on a daily basis for not winning a national championship?

Money will always be a factor, but Campbell isn't leaving to go to Louisville like Hawk fans would have you believe because they think it's 1995.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Your buddy is a dumbass

Dumbass Hok Fan is reduntant

 

[BryceC]

I seriously hate threads like this.

1. Every coach says they are trying to build something long term.
2. Every coach would leave for the right opportunity.
3. We will be good when Campbell is here regardless of if Purdy is here or not, because Campbell is a good coach.

 

[Thinker]

As a hawk fan, I do think Campbell is the perfect fit for ISU. The only team(s) to worry about with him leaving for would be OSU or ND IMO. IF Urban does bail this year it would cause me to worry. Going home would be easy for him to consider. Does the wife want to raise the family in Ohio? what is his relationship with his family and are they all in Ohio?

That is what most hawk fans see as Campbell leaving. He wont go anywhere else IMO.

Am I worried about ISU? no, I am happy for them and their success. I am a rare Iowa fan in that light I guess. I do not think they are going to launch up to Wisconsin status and dominate Iowa, I think it will be a competitive series as long as Campbell is there.

 

[cyhiphopp]

After Hoiberg, I'll never believe any coach is above leaving. But I do think people are underestimating the setup we have in Ames. There's a lot of ignorance out there about Ames, about the state of Iowa, about the Big 12, and about the resources at Iowa State. Many pundits, writers, and fans think of Iowa State as Rutgers, Vandy, Washington State, etc. Those schools don't have near the infrastructure or fan support that Iowa State has built in the past 20 years.

That isn't to say that Campbell has it made for life in Ames. It's just that going to a non-blueblood program is more of a lateral move than the outsiders would have you believe. Sure, Tennessee is a superior program to Iowa State, but is Tennessee the end goal for Matt Campbell? Why would he start over at Tennessee when he has already built Iowa State to a respectable level and appears to be trending upward? So he can go 9-3 in the SEC and get hounded by the loons in SEC country on a daily basis for not winning a national championship?

Money will always be a factor, but Campbell isn't leaving to go to Louisville like Hawk fans would have you believe because they think it's 1995.

I agree with everything you said here. I am not naive enough to believe that he will never leave. My main hope is that he puts us in a position that when he would leave, we'd be able to sustain any success he has. I want him to build ISU into a perennial power in the Big12. We might never be at the level that OU and Texas are historically or prestige-wise, but we can be number 3 every and have that shot every few years at the title. That's a lot to ask for but not impossible.

A lot of this depends on what Campbell really wants. If he wants the most money possible, we probably can't match that, but we can give him really good money and the stability to make that money for a LONG time. He could take a huge pay increase to go to an SEC school or tOSU, but he can basically never have a bad year or he risks getting canned. He can make 3.5M with regular raises for the next 10 years at ISU, or go somewhere for 4.5M a year and get fired after 4 years because he went 8-4 instead of getting to the playoff because his QB got hurt.

The new worry is about CMC going to the NFL. Is that his dream job? The NFL is a completely different job than coaching in college. Does he want to recruit and have some control over the talent he brings in, or does he want to depend on a GM and front office to sign players that determine his future?

We all know now that Fred didn't like recruiting enough to stay at ISU. CMC seems like someone that embraces selling his program and building it up.

 

[Dr.bannedman]

Adopted or conceived

my wives ex bf derek made the baby but i have rised him with corey.

v good boy

 

[cyhiphopp]

As a hawk fan, I do think Campbell is the perfect fit for ISU. The only team(s) to worry about with him leaving for would be OSU or ND IMO. IF Urban does bail this year it would cause me to worry. Going home would be easy for him to consider. Does the wife want to raise the family in Ohio? what is his relationship with his family and are they all in Ohio?

That is what most hawk fans see as Campbell leaving. He wont go anywhere else IMO.

Am I worried about ISU? no, I am happy for them and their success. I am a rare Iowa fan in that light I guess. I do not think they are going to launch up to Wisconsin status and dominate Iowa, I think it will be a competitive series as long as Campbell is there.

You are definitely a rare Iowa fan. I think if Campbell does stay for several years that most Iowa fans will not be happy. We've played poorly against Iowa these first four years but I think the talent is there for the next few games to go our way. Most Iowa fans I know would prefer for Iowa to win 15 straight again. That's what makes them feel better about themselves.

My biggest concern is tOSU right now. Urban could retire after a playoff/title run this year and that is a big dang job.
Campbell would have a lot to consider there. He might realize that the tOSU job comes with HUGE expectations to go with the big paycheck. But it might be a job he can't pass on.

 

[VeloClone]

I feel like this post was taken from a few years ago and you just swapped out “Fred Hoiberg” and inserted “Matt Campbell.”

Since I couldn't both dislike and agree with this I decided to call you a tool instead because uncomfortable truth.

 

[Penguin]

I'd be less worried about a NCAA job and more about a NFL gig. This NFL "insider" thinks the Browns should go after him. He also gets a nice dig in at Ferentz later in the thread.

 

[VeloClone]

One can argue how or under what circumstances it happens, but Chizek won a championship with Auburn. I’d call that a success.

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