***Rumor K-State & Snyder

[surly]

Surly plz share with the people the similarities Ames and Manhattan enjoy- are the two cities nearly identical?

LOL. Having held elected office and used Ames as an example of how to do and not do things, I'm going to beg off on that one. I do believe that the schools share a lot culturally. The land-grant thingy, agriculture, engineering, et al, plus their general loathing for hawks.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Surly plz share with the people the similarities Ames and Manhattan enjoy- are the two cities nearly identical?

I've lived in (or near) both.
The answer is no. At least, not from when I lived in Manhattan.

Manhattan has to deal with two transient populations - the military from Ft. Riley and the students. There's a lot of turnover in both. I never got the feeling that KSU & Manhattan were a team in the same way that ISU & Ames are.

Maybe that's just me. Or, maybe things have improved in Manhattan.

 

[VeloClone]

There have been quite a few comments lately that seem really out of character for him. I wonder if some of that is the result of the cancer treatments. I've known a few older folks who went through cancer treatments and were 95% of their normal selves afterwards but 5% of the time, they said or did things that were completely out of character.

Yeah, I have been wondering for some time now if they have a Ronald Reagan end of term situation on their hands.

 

[ruxCYtable]

But it’s time to return to the KState of old. “There is more than one way to skin a cat”

Even in the dark days of the 80s, the Cyclones could count K-State as an (almost) automatic win.

 

[CascadeClone]

Nearly every great leader suffers from "staying too long". Study leadership, and the case studies are legion.

Feels like BS is doing same. Maybe he's finally tiring, or wearing out, or just getting stale.

 

[VeloClone]

Nearly every great leader suffers from "staying too long". Study leadership, and the case studies are legion.

Feels like BS is doing same. Maybe he's finally tiring, or wearing out, or just getting stale.

Luckily George Washington not only quashed the idea of being set up as something more than a president and more like a king and then after two terms as president walked away stating that more than that was not something he or any other should accept.

 

[cyclones500]

Even in the dark days of the 80s, the Cyclones could count K-State as an (almost) automatic win.

Yep, mostly. Iowa State was 7-2-1 vs. K-State from 1980-89.

As much as we associate “‘80s darkness” with the Criner period, the worst of the 2 losses came in ’81, after ISU started 5-1-1, two weeks after beating a then-top-10 Missouri team.

After that, Duncan had only one win over a team with a winning record (Iowa in 1982). Also lost to Kansas State in '82, but KSU actually finished w/ a better record.

Tie was in 1984, during Criner era; both teams were dreadful that season.

If people think ISU was bad in the ’80s, look at this:

• Iowa State record 1980-89: 46-60-4
• Kansas State record 1980-89: 21-87-3

 

[CtownCyclone]

Yep, mostly. Iowa State was 7-2-1 vs. K-State from 1980-89.

As much as we associate “‘80s darkness” with the Criner period, the worst of the 2 losses came in ’81, after ISU started 5-1-1, two weeks after beating a then-top-10 Missouri team.

After that, Duncan had only one win over a team with a winning record (Iowa in 1982). Also lost to Kansas State in '82, but KSU actually finished w/ a better record.

Tie was in 1984, during Criner era; both teams were dreadful that season.

If people think ISU was bad in the ’80s, look at this:

• Iowa State record 1980-89: 46-60-4
• Kansas State record 1980-89: 21-87-3

To put it in even more perspective - ISU still leads the overall series with KSU, even though Snyder's gone 24-4 against us.

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

Yep, mostly. Iowa State was 7-2-1 vs. K-State from 1980-89.

As much as we associate “‘80s darkness” with the Criner period, the worst of the 2 losses came in ’81, after ISU started 5-1-1, two weeks after beating a then-top-10 Missouri team.

After that, Duncan had only one win over a team with a winning record (Iowa in 1982). Also lost to Kansas State in '82, but KSU actually finished w/ a better record.

Tie was in 1984, during Criner era; both teams were dreadful that season.

If people think ISU was bad in the ’80s, look at this:

• Iowa State record 1980-89: 46-60-4
• Kansas State record 1980-89: 21-87-3

Duncan's teams always seemed to start good and then fall apart midway through the season.

 

[surly]

I've lived in (or near) both.
The answer is no. At least, not from when I lived in Manhattan.

Manhattan has to deal with two transient populations - the military from Ft. Riley and the students. There's a lot of turnover in both. I never got the feeling that KSU & Manhattan were a team in the same way that ISU & Ames are.

Maybe that's just me. Or, maybe things have improved in Manhattan.

That's a baffling statement from my reference as someone who actually worked the Manhattan/K-State relationship, to say nothing for independent views.

https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings?rankings=town-gown-relations-are-great

 

[RonBurgundy]

Article on hot seat coaches. Calls Bill Snyder the "matriarch" of KSU football. LOL.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ry-fedora-are-under-fire/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e

 

[LarryISU]

Just checked the other box scores. Apparently Reggie did our TCU game? I vaguely remember complaining when I saw him on the TV.

I actually thought the crew during TT game was real solid. Mike Defee was the head ref. I don't recall any blatant errors made against either team, and we might have actually lucked out with 1 or 2 roughing the passer penalties on Purdy.

Can't let that go without comment: There were three roughing calls against TT and every one of them was 100% completely deserved.

The first was the guy (#1) who targeted Purdy, completely lowered his head and crushed the top of his helmet into the middle of Purdy's chest right under his chin. Player was ejected. This call was indisputably correct.

The second was a play where Purdy had thrown his pass and the TT defender kept coming from behind Brock and the defender just ran into the QB and then extended his arms to shove the QB to the ground. Per the rule, you cannot forcefully hit a QB when it is obvious the ball has been thrown. In practice they generally allow the defender one step, but extending the arms is going to get you flagged every time because it demonstrates intent to knock the QB down. In contrast, watch the ISU defenders. They have had almost no roughing calls that I can remember because they have been disciplined to follow the rule. TT players just do what they want with no apparent regard for the rules.

The third was the defender (#97) who broke free past our blocker and dove into the legs of Purdy just as Purdy was starting his throwing motion. #97 drove his shoulder into Brock's knees. This violates the language that says when an offensive player is in a passing posture with one or both feet on the ground, no defensive player rushing unabated shall hit him forcibly at the knee area or below. Again, this was a clear violation of the rule and had to be called.

 

[VeloClone]

Can't let that go without comment: There were three roughing calls against TT and every one of them was 100% completely deserved.

The first was the guy (#1) who targeted Purdy, completely lowered his head and crushed the top of his helmet into the middle of Purdy's chest right under his chin. Player was ejected. This call was indisputably correct.

The second was a play where Purdy had thrown his pass and the TT defender kept coming from behind Brock and the defender just ran into the QB and then extended his arms to shove the QB to the ground. Per the rule, you cannot forcefully hit a QB when it is obvious the ball has been thrown. In practice they generally allow the defender one step, but extending the arms is going to get you flagged every time because it demonstrates intent to knock the QB down. In contrast, watch the ISU defenders. They have had almost no roughing calls that I can remember because they have been disciplined to follow the rule. TT players just do what they want with no apparent regard for the rules.

The third was the defender (#97) who broke free past our blocker and dove into the legs of Purdy just as Purdy was starting his throwing motion. #97 drove his shoulder into Brock's knees. This violates the language that says when an offensive player is in a passing posture with one or both feet on the ground, no defensive player rushing unabated shall hit him forcibly at the knee area or below. Again, this was a clear violation of the rule and had to be called.

I thought that third one looked lame but you are right it is clearly by the letter of the rule. I'm sure I wouldn't think it lame if the hit had resulted in a leg injury to Purdy as the danger of that is why that type of hit is illegal.

I thought a similar call on ISU earlier in the season was lame as well as the player was being blocked which resulted in him being unable to control his low hit on the QB. But again, letter of the rule.

 

[CNECloneFan]

IDK.

I'll stop worrying about Snyder and Purple Kansas when we start beating those ********.

 

[cycophagus]

CBS Sport columnist, Dennis Dodd promoted the Old Man to "Win or be fired" status today:
2018 College Football Hot Seat Rankings

 

[madguy30]

CBS Sport columnist, Dennis Dodd promoted the Old Man to "Win or be fired" status today:
2018 College Football Hot Seat Rankings

He'll step away before he's fired.

 

[cycloneML]

It's just degrees of shittyness at some point but Mike Defee, his extra smedium ref shirt, and the non fumble on the goal line against Texas a few years ago would like a word.

Explaining it with his Texas drawl

 

[majorcyfan]

It wasn't so many years ago that a truly bad Colorado team announced they were firing Dan Hawkins during the week leading up to our game, and they played their best game of the year and beat us.

We took the train for the last Gridiron trip to Colorado and we got beat by an inferior Colorado team and pouted the whole way back. Made no sense to lose that game but we did

 

[cyclones500]

CBS Sport columnist, Dennis Dodd promoted the Old Man to "Win or be fired" status today:
2018 College Football Hot Seat Rankings

Completely outside the main discussion, but this detail jumped out at me:
"USC could miss a bowl or play in the Rose Bowl.”

 

[madguy30]

Duncan's teams always seemed to start good and then fall apart midway through the season.

Depth.