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NoCreativity

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In 206-17 we went 5-4 on the road which should have been good enough to compete with Kansas, but we lost 2 games in Hilton which cant happen. We just cant seem to put it all together in the same year.
 

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I was thinking in general Jacobsen isn't good enough to be a go to guy in the Big 12. He's great against mid majors, and very good in spurts, or in the right matchups, against the Big 12, but he's a liability if he's out there too long.

Cam and Solo are also best in spurts. That's why when they're all three healthy it's the best case scenario. They all bring something different, but if one has to play extended stretches, then they become a weakness.
Based on what?

Jacobson was solid against Big 10 frontcourts. Better than Lard and similar to Young. Jacobson played well against Lawson, and Lawson is one of the best in the conference.

With how the game is called, there are few guys in college basketball that are going to be able to shutdown or not need a double on a guy like Clark. Like in the past, Clark’s success was also due to guard play- allowing easy post entries, weak doubles, and guard penetration resulting in bad rebounding position.
 

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2-1 in every 3 game increment is 12-6, that isnt getting it done, now we have to go 3-0 in a tougher stretch of 3 games to contend for a championship.

So your angle is to set the expectations extremely high.

FWIW I think 13-5 probably wins at least a share of the league this year. 12-6 is probably 3rd place in conference and a 4/5 seed depending on how Ole Miss and KC go.

Good luck against Northwestern tonight though.
 

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Frustrating game. My two biggest gripes are the substitution pattern and late game shots. Somehow, we've lost all our depth. There's no reason Talley and Lewis, and with Lard out even Conditt, shouldn't be getting more minutes. You could tell our guys were gassed down the stretch. I know that they normally would have gotten a few minutes in the mid-to-late second half, and that was during Baylor's run, but you gotta save their legs a bit. Also, why was Haliburton out the last 6 minutes? And while I know Jacobson was having some trouble defensively, I'd still have taken him out there the last 5 minutes over Solo.

Otherwise, and this is stemming back to last year, our late game execution is horrible. I'm working of memory here, but after THT hit that 3 we took a lead we got two stops in a row. Babb took a running/falling out of bounds floater and then Shayok dribbled into a double team. We lost all flow and all ball movement. I seem to recall last year as well our offense becoming very stagnant with a late lead.
 
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In 206-17 we went 5-4 on the road which should have been good enough to compete with Kansas, but we lost 2 games in Hilton which cant happen. We just cant seem to put it all together in the same year.

We lost to Kansas at home that year didn't we? And we also lost at Baylor.that year,

By my count we are already ahead of that pace. No?
 

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Who is really a dominant team in this league? Kansas is not the 3 point shooting team of the past and lost a very very good post player. 12-6 with a couple of teams tied at the top is a high probability especially in a very strong league.

Okay say its 13-5, right now Tech would need to go 10-5 their last 15 games, Tech has played 2 at home and 1 on the road. Tech struggled against KSU at home, and finally finished off OU at the end.
Conversely ISU destroyed the conference favorite at home. Does that mean much probably not, but I do think ISU's home court advantage is better than Tech's , Tech is more likely to stub their toe at home than ISU. But neither is totally immune to that possibility.

ISU, needs to go 11-4, Texas needs to go 11-4 (ISU lost at Baylor Tech lost at OSU) but both already have road wins.

TCU they are 1-0 they need to go 12-5 and probably 11-4 after tonight.
OU is 1-2, the struggled against OSU at home and lost to 2 of the better teams on the road, but they have to go 12-3 the rest of the way.

KU after tonight needs to go 11-4 most likely, they lose and the need 12-3

Sure it would have been great to win at Baylor, but I get the impression from you because they lost, they are now one of the least likely to win the conference.

Maybe its the ISU fan in you with all the disappointment, that says we will fail. Because the numbers clearly do not agree with your assessment

Let things play out a few more weeks before you throw dirt on the team. Plenty of time for us to all wallow in failure if that happens.
The Big 12 champ will not have 6 losses. That is completely unrealistic.
 

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Color me shocked that our resident doom and gloom posters are rolling the mat out...

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Frustrating game. My two biggest gripes are the substitution pattern and late game shots. Somehow, we've lost all our depth. There's no reason Talley and Lewis, and with Lard out even Conditt, shouldn't be getting more minutes. You could tell our guys were gassed down the stretch. I know that they normally would have gotten a few minutes in the mid-to-late second half, and that was during Baylor's run, but you gotta save their legs a bit. Also, why was Haliburton out the last 6 minutes? And while I know Jacobson was having some trouble defensively, I'd still have taken him out there the last 5 minutes over Solo.

Otherwise, and this is stemming back to last year, our late game execution is horrible. I'm working of memory here, but after THT hit that 3 we took a lead we got two stops in a row. Babb took a running/falling out of bounds floater and then Shayok dribbled into a double team. We lost all flow and all ball movement. I seem to recall last year as well our offense becoming very stagnant with a late lead.

The reason Halliburton was out for the last 6 minutes was because when he was in Baylor's offense became pick on the skinny kid. They'd run a pick'n'roll to switch him onto a big, then get an easy layup.
 

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The funny thing is, my finger was just an inch away from purchasing a session ticket for the NCAA's in Des Moines yesterday - that's how excited I was. Now adopting a wait and see position
 

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Frustrating game. My two biggest gripes are the substitution pattern and late game shots. Somehow, we've lost all our depth. There's no reason Talley and Lewis, and with Lard out even Conditt, shouldn't be getting more minutes. You could tell our guys were gassed down the stretch. I know that they normally would have gotten a few minutes in the mid-to-late second half, and that was during Baylor's run, but you gotta save their legs a bit. Also, why was Haliburton out the last 6 minutes? And while I know Jacobson was having some trouble defensively, I'd still have taken him out there the last 5 minutes over Solo.

Otherwise, and this is stemming back to last year, our late game execution is horrible. I'm working of memory here, but after THT hit that 3 we took a lead we got two stops in a row. Babb took a running/falling out of bounds floater and then Shayok dribbled into a double team. We lost all flow and all ball movement. I seem to recall last year as well our offense becoming very stagnant with a late lead.

The possession when we ran around trying to get into a play for 20 seconds was frustrating. We've definitely seen that before.
 

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In 206-17 we went 5-4 on the road which should have been good enough to compete with Kansas, but we lost 2 games in Hilton which cant happen. We just cant seem to put it all together in the same year.

To make matters worse, this might be our year to make a move in the Big12 and NCAAs. We might lose a CRAP LOAD of players next year. Shayok, Talley, and NWB of course, probably Wigginton (he wanted to leave last year) and maybe THT. If we do nothing this year, I don’t see us doing anything for at least 2-3 more years.
 

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You guys gotta get a grip. The college basketball season is so long. If we win Saturday, and especially if we look good doing it, everyone will be back on the hype train.

The team we see now will not be the team we see in February. And it won't be the team we see in March. Settle in. Expect to lose on the road in frustrating fashion. That's college basketball. Hope we can steal a few more and win out at home. That's a hell of a season and likely a top 5 seed.
 

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To make matters worse, this might be our year to make a move in the Big12 and NCAAs. We might lose a CRAP LOAD of players next year. Shayok, Talley, and NWB of course, probably Wigginton (he wanted to leave last year) and maybe THT. If we do nothing this year, I don’t see us doing anything for at least 2-3 more years.


Continuing on the stupid train I see
 
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The Big 12 champ will not have 6 losses. That is completely unrealistic.

This season is shaping up like the 2014-2015 season where yes Kansas won the league at 13-5, and others finished 12-6, KU's perfect home record was the difference

Maybe because you are saying KU will not lose 6 games in the league, since they never have under the 10 team big 12.

But the fact is it was not that far off from happening a few years ago, and one could argue the league this year has an even smaller discrepancy of talent between top and bottom.

13-5 probably does but 12-6 is not as far fetched as you make it out.

Don't think anybody is going 14-4, or 15-3, will see how things play out.
 

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If u guys are satisfied losing all the road game and being a 7 seed then fine. We have talent for a 3 seed and play in Des Moines. We can’t do that losing to a Baylor team with little talent.
Winning is only half the battle. Then we have to avoid being screwed by the selection committee sending us to Hartford or San Jose.
 
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Based on what?

Jacobson was solid against Big 10 frontcourts. Better than Lard and similar to Young. Jacobson played well against Lawson, and Lawson is one of the best in the conference.

With how the game is called, there are few guys in college basketball that are going to be able to shutdown or not need a double on a guy like Clark. Like in the past, Clark’s success was also due to guard play- allowing easy post entries, weak doubles, and guard penetration resulting in bad rebounding position.
He was solid, avgd 6&6. I'm not sure how you're basing your "better than Lard" though. Cam avgd 14 & 9 in the Big 12 last year.

I'm not saying Jacobsen sucks, and shouldn't play, but I do think to be the best team possible, Lard needs to have similar minutes as Jacobsen.

Doesn't matter at the moment between them because Lard is going to be out for couple weeks, but my original point was that I hope Prohm doesn't try to just play Jacobsen 30+ minutes, and Solo only spot minutes, while Lard is out.