2018 Taxes

ArgentCy

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To be fair to my client he does possess very good IT skills and is good at his job.

You can't make $400k and be an idiot, even working for the government. But those skills aren't that rare, although they are harder to find in rural areas.
 

ArgentCy

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If you are turning down income because you have to pay more in taxes YOU ARE A MORON!!!

Give me $100,000 more income and I'll gladly give up $40,000 in taxes. It's still a net win.

At some point there is no point. How about 50%, 60%, 70%? At some point its better to just go sit on a beach.
 
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At some point there is no point. How about 50%, 60%, 70%? At some point its better to just go sit on a beach.
Simple question. Say you are making $10 million a year and there was a 70% tax bracket for income over $10 million. Your boss offers you a 10% raise. Would you take it?
 

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Because cigarettes, alcohol, etc are things you PAY for. So we make them more expensive to reduce demand.

But income taxes are taxes on money being PAID TO YOU. Any tax rate <100% results in you making more money when you work more. It's still a net benefit for you. And a rational actor should always work to maximize their well being. So if you claim taxes as the only reason for not increasing your income, you are being irrational from an economic standpoint.
Taxes PAY FOR...government. At least that is what I have been told. Kind of like a bad habit I guess,
 

CycloneDaddy

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So you just complained about having to owe money and now are stating you’re intentionally under paying so you can have more working capital.

People who get consistently large refunds are just morons who don’t know how to properly set up their withholdings.
I get a 5 figure refund every year and I dont think Im a moron. We have a financial plan and it works for us. Sure I could take that extra $900 a month and put it in a money market and make 2% instead of letting the govt borrow it. Everyones situation/plans/dreams are different so be careful painting with a broad brush.
 

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Did my taxes last night:

Lost the following:
$12,150 in exemptions
$5,130 in state and local taxes (since it is capped at $10,000 and we had $15,130)

Went from the 25% bracket in 2017 to the 24% bracket in 2018.

Conclusion: My loss of deductions outweighed the 1% lower bracket I was in. I would have prefered to keep my deductions and stay in the 25% bracket.


Regarding the Sec 199A, this should be calculated on a individual business level and not on an aggregate business level. ugh.
 

isufbcurt

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[QUOTE="DreamyCy, post: 6521448, member: 18833"
People who get consistently large refunds are just morons who don’t know how to properly set up their withholdings.[/QUOTE]

I'm far from a moron and I prefer a large refund. See one of my prior posts.
 

Cyclone.TV

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Simple question. Say you are making $10 million a year and there was a 70% tax bracket for income over $10 million. Your boss offers you a 10% raise. Would you take it?

I would still be ******** about how I lost 70% of my income
 
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Cyclone.TV

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I get a 5 figure refund every year and I dont think Im a moron. We have a financial plan and it works for us. Sure I could take that extra $900 a month and put it in a money market and make 2% instead of letting the govt borrow it. Everyones situation/plans/dreams are different so be careful painting with a broad brush.

I’d probably not put it in a money market. I’d probably spend it. So it’s better that the government has it than me.
 
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SpokaneCY

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So I spent a whole hour of time last night beginning my 2018 federal tax return. Having received my wife and I's W2s I was kind of excited as I considered the prospects of a better tax result for our family in 2018. The increased standard deduction (we were close to the new standard amount with itemization in 2017) and rate decreases are cool but the doing away of the person exemptions sucks. Basically from what I can tell so far, my tax situation improves none, and may even be worse than prior years. That is strange to me because I have heard a lot about the good the tax law changes will bring. Still a lot of detail for me to wade through though so hopefully my initial high level view is off.

Disclaimer: I chose off topic to keep this about 2018 tax return filing and how it goes for others but I am well aware this teters on the edge of a political topic.

Trying to get caught-up - if you've finished your taxes have you shared whether your effective tax rate changed year over year?
 

SpokaneCY

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I don't understand why anyone would pick the paper check. Just a waste of time.

Don't need the money so badly, they like the ritual of filing and getting the check, they've had ID theft or banking problems in the past, it has no impact on their lives... same reason people wear stretchy jeans, carry paper money, or listen to bad music. Personal choices?
 

SpokaneCY

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I disagree. You'd need to run your information this year with last year's tax laws to compare numbers. Comparing effective rate doesn't account for changes in income, standard deduction, exemptions, tax tables, etc.

Doesn't sound right. You know your gross income this year and last. You know total fed income taxes paid this year and last. Simple math isn't it?
 

SpokaneCY

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I can't fathom being in a position to take in that much income, yet still somehow have zero understanding of how to effectively manage it.

Years ago when I was CPA-ing, we had some doctors as clients. They came in 2 stripes - guys who became doctors to make a lot of money so they could make MORE money (savvy financially - new services, real estate, etc...) and those who were doctors to save lives and had little clue or interest in their finances.
 

SpokaneCY

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Most people don't know the difference between nominal and effective rates. It's been my experience that they usually vote Republican.

I'm a republican and used to be CPA. I don't feel your statement has any basis in fact.

This is getting way to close to cave territory - toodles!