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Jim Lahey

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Looking at the numbers, the 4 of them have really similar resumes. Same number of high level wins as Ole Miss and Syracuse and only one more than TCU. Iowa by far has the worst non conference SOS and overall SOS out of the 4. What put Iowa behind those teams were Ole Miss and Syracuse have good wins away from home. TCU and Iowa were basically a coin flip(TCU and Syracuse should be swapped, forgot to change that), but I went with TCU due to a more difficult schedule played.
HAHAAHAAHAHAHAHA. This is horrible! Put the bottle down bud. Actually for this horrible bracketology, how about you head down to the LC for me and re stock my liquor cabinet.
 

TurbulentEddie

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Click bait. Keep putting Iowa teams in Des Moines, and they will keep coming back each week to see if they are still projected Des Moines. I really don't think they take into account regions in these projections. Also, no reason to get worked up about a 2/1 bracketology. Lots of games to play.
I don't know about click bait (i.e. they're doing it on purpose) but I'm quite sure you're correct about the not taking regions into account. Why would any bracketologist spend the time calculating distances when we're over a month away? The accuracy of these brackets are never really measured until the projected bracket released just before the real bracket is revealed. So I never really put any weight in the regional projections (or particular matchups, for that matter) until right before the reveal.
 
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Some ******* Hawk troll is upset Cyclone fans don't respect his team's resume. Better stay in ISR, gonna take a break otherwise.
 
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HAHAAHAAHAHAHAHA. This is horrible! Put the bottle down bud. Actually for this horrible bracketology, how about you head down to the LC for me and re stock my liquor cabinet.
Mate, your bracketing advice 2 pages ago was to get drunk and everything will make sense. You don't have room to talk about whose brackets suck
 
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Looking at the numbers, the 4 of them have really similar resumes. Same number of high level wins as Ole Miss and Syracuse and only one more than TCU. Iowa by far has the worst non conference SOS and overall SOS out of the 4. What put Iowa behind those teams were Ole Miss and Syracuse have good wins away from home. TCU and Iowa were basically a coin flip(TCU and Syracuse should be swapped, forgot to change that), but I went with TCU due to a more difficult schedule played.

Q1 and Q2 records:

Iowa: 3-5, 5-0
Ole Miss: 3-7, 2-0
Syracuse: 2-2, 3-2
TCU: 1-5, 4-1

Iowa is also rated 10-20 spots higher than each of those teams in both NET and Kenpom. Not sure how you consider those to be “similar” resumes. You’re entitled to your opinion, but it’s more than likely wrong (Iowa is at least 2 seeds higher than each of those teams inn bracketmatrix).
 
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CoKane

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Q1 and Q2 records:

Iowa: 3-5, 5-0
Ole Miss: 3-7, 2-0
Syracuse: 2-2, 3-2
TCU: 1-5, 4-1

Iowa is also rated 10-20 spots higher than each of those teams in both NET and Kenpom. Not sure how you consider those to be “similar” resumes. You’re entitled to your opinion, but it’s more than likely wrong (Iowa is at least 2 seeds higher than each of those teams inn bracketmatrix).
Does the committee use Kenpom now? Legit question, because I haven't been doing brackets the last few years. If so I'll have to take that into account next time
 

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Palm does not watch Big 12 basketball. Never has. Not a problem since he is irrelevant to the selection committee...

People seem to give Lunardi a hard time for whatever reason when it comes to Bracketology, but every time I listen to Palm or read an interview with him he strikes me as being insufferably arrogant.
 

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Does the committee use Kenpom now? Legit question, because I haven't been doing brackets the last few years. If so I'll have to take that into account next time

The team sheets that the committee uses includes each teams BPI, Kenpom, KPI, and Sagarin rankings. How much emphasis each of these is given is obviously unclear. I would assume they look at the rankings holistically, but your guess is as good as mine.
 

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Well, he does have 9 Big Ten teams in the field, if that tells you anything.

He still had Nebraska in the First Four until had no choice. And still has them first team out.

I do think BTen could get 8, but there's a lot of chaff near the lower edge.

Yep, at 13-9. Net ranking has them at like 33 or 34, so it loves them too apparently, but I can't figure out why from looking at their schedule.
 

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I wouldn't get overly critical of CoKane's bracket. I've collaborated with him for CF's Bracket Matrix, he does the research, I can vouch.

A couple seed lines on the s-curve I'd differ, but I'm a bit behind compiling my full curve-list.
 

Jim Lahey

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No thank you. Potentially having your season end at the hands of Iowa while being the reason they actually make the Sweet 16 for the first time in 300 years would be horrendous.
Ah yes. Remember it vividly. The Treaty of Utecht was signed in 1713, thus ending the war of the spanish succession. It was a few days later Iowa played in the Sweet 16.
 

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No thank you. Potentially having your season end at the hands of Iowa while being the reason they actually make the Sweet 16 for the first time in 300 years would be horrendous.

Isn't one of the rules of bracketing that you can't meet a team you played in the regular season before the Sweet 16 or something like that? Or is that just the first game.
 

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No thank you. Potentially having your season end at the hands of Iowa while being the reason they actually make the Sweet 16 for the first time in 300 years would be horrendous.
i totally agree. For me it's more of the fact that no one outside of Iowa would care and I to play someone we haven't played before.
 
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Isn't one of the rules of bracketing that you can't meet a team you played in the regular season before the Sweet 16 or something like that? Or is that just the first game.

It applies only to intra-conference games. You can meet as early as sweet 16 if teams met no more than once during season/conference tournament. Otherwise it's no sooner than Elite 8. OR... it could be Round of 32/Sweet 16. It's one of the two.

First round matchups they attempt to avoid regular season rematches, if it's possible.