So you’re ******** about being drug into the 21st century of college athletics. Not surprised, of course.
Iowa state fans got a lot of years of not having to step up. A lot more than any team we compete against.
Podcast CycloneAlert and Pollard: Message to Fans
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So you’re ******** about being drug into the 21st century of college athletics. Not surprised, of course.
Iowa state fans got a lot of years of not having to step up. A lot more than any team we compete against.
I don’t know for a fact, I just know it’s true...that people abusing the indoor Sukup endzone camp out in the left lane of the interstate.
Compare ticket prices of ISU to any school you want to be in that respective sport. It's cheap, relatively speaking, to be a Cyclone fan. If you want Matt Campbell, you have to pay him. I went through some math on this last fall it it takes a very small increase in ticket prices to get a pretty massive pool of money for the coaching staff. If it's not worth it to some, that's perfectly fine, but it's not just rises in prices to pad the pockets of the AD at ISU. It is at some places, but not here.
I didn't say it padded AD pockets. Those upgrades were asked for and made with the expectation of raising the standard of on field performance. That has be done but it is now what people expect. So raised stakes raised expectations raised concerns on results. That mantra is in every aspect of American culture from politics, to business, to sport. If ISU wants to change our message we have to go out and do something the change the message. My thoughts on how to do that were to double down on unique and appreciative fan experiences.
He is literally dealing with it. Did you read or listen? That's what he is trying to do - deal with it. Jesus people...
Fundamentally disagree. Whether it’s message boards, in person, twitter, whatever...I don’t believe that, just because someone is being paid that it is the excuse for someone being a jerk. Doesn’t matter if they’re being paid hundreds, thousands or millions. I have no problem critiquing the game plan, approach or in-game decisions in the spirit of debate. But some people are way too quick to transition into something much more than that and getting personal. In words and actions, that’s just unacceptable. I think that’s the point Jamie is making....it’s not the ISU way.
You can demand excellence without being an idiot. You can be a true fan without degrading coaches or players. You can support the team without insisting you know more about the game than the coaches or AD. And I’m sure if given a choice between idiots donating lots of money on the program or true fans supporting as much as they can afford, Jamie would choose the latter. Otherwise he’d work for Texas or Iowa.
Always liked the sign in my CEO’s office: Be nice or leave
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Unique for Iowa State football is winning. That's kind of my point. That's really what separates programs and their fanbases. JP can do the endzone stuff and all that which some people love. Most people just want to see a good product on the field.
I fully understand that they expect that commitment to be reciprocated, but that doesn't mean that when it's not a coach needs to be fired or people need to be harrassed through social media cesspools and message boards. It's ridiculous and really disheartening that society is so caught up in the performance of 18-23 year olds to the extent they need to be the way they are on social media.
I bet if we just won every game we played for the rest of a eternity we'd have a nicer bunch of fans.
Fully agree about any form of harassment coming about to any plan, coach, fan because Wins and Losses. No place for that.
Any interesting sporting culture is the Oakland Raiders... They have done a good job of recognizing players, coaches, and staff as once a Raider always a Raider. I think reinforcement of a principal like that would be good at this time.
Honestly don't know what to make of your response. We all have personal responsibility to manage ourselves and what we do and say, and how we treat other people, regardless of whether those other people are, as you keep saying, an adult making millions of dollars per year, or not. Just because they are adult, and have been offered and accepted a high-paid coaching position, that doesn't mean they have signed up to be "fair game" for every "fan" on social media who thinks it's sport to criticize and demean them. If you think it is only under those conditions that we can have message boards, (as if they are required to accept other people's bad behavior on condition of their good fortune), than I would say no. Some people can indeed, never have nice things. But it's because they ruin them.
Didn't a mob of Raiders fans nearly kill an opposing fan in the parking lot? I've seen some stuff at ISU games, but I don't want to see that.
Maybe? I mostly think of the giants and dodgers for that kind of stuff. Maybe its a Cali problem.
I think for the most part our fan base is awesome. It just seems like over the last couple year we have developed a very small but highly vocal group of radicals that want to call for players, coaches and administrators jobs after every loss. This winter is seemed like an entire group of "Tavern Clones" arrived on the seen.
Where is anyone getting personal with the coaches? Can I see one example?
The cultists around here equate criticism surrounding coaching with personal attacks (and of course provide no examples)
I think a big part of the fan unease around things like Matt's OC situation or the February hoops meltdown isn't because the fanbase is becoming entitled but because they are remembering where we came from as JP is asking. We realize how fragile success has been here and how easily it could all come crashing down. So when fans see something that is starting to turn the wrong direction with no signs of anything being done to right the ship, they get jumpy.
As far as entitled fanbases are concerned, just look at KU this year. I haven't heard squat from them now that their season is done. Worst year in 15 seasons and everyone has moved on already. No need to meltdown when everyone just expects to reload on 5 star recruits and get back on track next year. There is no panic because they feel entitled to that success, it hasn't even occured to them yet that it could fall apart.
As far as entitled fanbases are concerned, just look at KU this year. I haven't heard squat from them now that their season is done. Worst year in 15 seasons and everyone has moved on already. No need to meltdown when everyone just expects to reload on 5 star recruits and get back on track next year. There is no panic because they feel entitled to that success, it hasn't even occured to them yet that it could fall apart.
