Iowa State Daily article about Prohm and LW
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CycloneErik
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Good God, you're obtuse. You know exactly that you're referring to his Facebook page. No call for that.
Of course THT started both halves. And most likely played to the 14 minute mark of both halves. CSP was very consistent with this pattern, regardless if THT was in full NBA audition mode and ice cold.
I'm glad Coach Prohm is our coach, and I agree with his post season assessment in Hines' article.
Paraphrasing but Wiggs said somewhere out there around the Big 12 Tourney time that it took a long time into the season for him to accept the team over himself or something along those lines so wondering why he didn't start is kind of weird. Talk about participation trophies.
Are people blaming his cold hands too?
The team had guys with one foot out the door or at least did mentally and it showed.
Are people blaming his cold hands too?
The team had guys with one foot out the door or at least did mentally and it showed.
What if that starter isn't actually earning their way back?
Point is none of us have data to prove whether he would or would not have been better if he was a starter opposed to off the bench this year, it's complete speculation.
Late to the party here. But my take on Wigginton, is when he is good, he is good, but if he isn't good, don't let him on the floor. He turned into a blackhole, when not playing well. THT suffered from this a little bit, but he seemed much more intune with the let NWB and Shayok management of the game. LW seemed much more likely to disrupt that tempo than any other player.
You know what's funny is one of your buddies claimed he found my FB account 3 or 4 years ago and he even admitted that I had a bunch of Iowa State and K-State stuff on my profile but no Iowa posts.
I read the words but not sure he takes into account the context of LWs injury, conditioning, attitude, his performance on the floor when he was playing - offense AND defense... Lots of variables.
Personally could have seen LW starting over TH but the team was 18-5 at the point LW came back. 18-5 with the players we had was really good - why mess with what was working (at the time)?
Look, I'm not going to say it's a bad column just because it is jevenile, lacking in detail and loaded with supposition. It is a student run newspaper, so you definitely need to judge it on a curve. But it did sound too much like Randy wrote it.
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Marner used to post on CF..not sure if he was a prohm hater or not. Haven’t seen him in awhile, maybe if he’s reading he can debate his side of view
I'm not really disagreeing, but I don't want people to forget that you can't have players (perhaps especially freshmen) getting nervous that they'll get yanked as soon as they make 1 mistake. Even though THT maybe deserved to be yanked quickly because it seemed he rarely got better if his first 2 shots don't go in.
Equally wonder if Lard and Wigginton had been with the team all year.
Wiggs is the product of the 2017-18 basketball team that was not good. Meaning he was option A, B, and, D with Lard sometimes being C. That basically means his numbers were inflated. In a bad season it doesn't matter if you make bad passes, miss shots or play bad defense cause everyone else is too.
As far as Prohm leaving him to come off the bench, you don't mess with a good thing. The team was rolling along pretty well at that time. What did Wiggs do to start over anyone in the starting lineup?
As far as Prohm leaving him to come off the bench, you don't mess with a good thing. The team was rolling along pretty well at that time. What did Wiggs do to start over anyone in the starting lineup?
Eh, the Iowa State Daily is not exactly the gold standard for news so this basically is some college kid's opinion over-analyzing things. I never really take much I read in the ISD that seriously and didn't even when I was going to as ISU. He makes some valid points but the last part quoted below is a little over the top and a bit of a reach.
Where's the analysis about his downfalls and inconsistency that contributed to his bench role? His shooting percentages basically stayed the same as last year, his FT% was actually worse and his assist to turnover ratio was near 1:1. Plus his defense was pretty bad at times, basically cost us the KSU game at Hilton because of it and can probably say he cost us defensively when he was on the court in a few other key spots this year. Can you really say he was a better player than he was last year? Yeah it sucks he lost his starting spot to an injury but if you look at his game log he was getting around starters minutes off the bench in a lot of games and it doesn't necessarily matter who starts but who finishes games a lot of times. If he's leaving mostly because he didn't start then good riddance if that is his mindset. He's talented but I would be surprised if he even gets drafted at this point so he's not as great as some think he is.
"If Wigginton had been given the same role he had as a freshman, how much further could the Cyclones have gone in the big dance?
Wigginton's Iowa State career is probably over. He declared for the NBA Draft and said he intends to stay this time. If that holds true, Iowa State's mismanagement of Wigginton could go down as one of the biggest mistakes of Steve Prohm's tenure in Ames."
Where's the analysis about his downfalls and inconsistency that contributed to his bench role? His shooting percentages basically stayed the same as last year, his FT% was actually worse and his assist to turnover ratio was near 1:1. Plus his defense was pretty bad at times, basically cost us the KSU game at Hilton because of it and can probably say he cost us defensively when he was on the court in a few other key spots this year. Can you really say he was a better player than he was last year? Yeah it sucks he lost his starting spot to an injury but if you look at his game log he was getting around starters minutes off the bench in a lot of games and it doesn't necessarily matter who starts but who finishes games a lot of times. If he's leaving mostly because he didn't start then good riddance if that is his mindset. He's talented but I would be surprised if he even gets drafted at this point so he's not as great as some think he is.
"If Wigginton had been given the same role he had as a freshman, how much further could the Cyclones have gone in the big dance?
Wigginton's Iowa State career is probably over. He declared for the NBA Draft and said he intends to stay this time. If that holds true, Iowa State's mismanagement of Wigginton could go down as one of the biggest mistakes of Steve Prohm's tenure in Ames."
IMO if a guy turns down an NBA opportunity to return to your program, you do everything you can to improve his draft stock the next year. That begins with STARTING him. Prohm didn't do Lindell any favors this year; he may not even be drafted now.
Take a look at Wigginton's game log. Around 80% of the time Iowa State lost, Wigginton had a bad game.
Something tells me NBA scouts don't look at how many times a player started, more how they played when they were on the floor and what they can do in the league.
