Really do not understand the “save the playbook” mentality. Why are they saving it?
Offensive play calling
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Really do not understand the “save the playbook” mentality. Why are they saving it?
demoncore1031
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It makes sense to me. You're playing an FCS team that you should beat easily before a bye week. It doesn't give Iowa a good look at the offense and gives ISU an advantage. And I think this is why we didn't see any deep balls or any designed QB runs. Well, that and keeping Purdy from getting injured in week 1. This tells me that Campbell really wants to beat Iowa. If I'm wrong and what we saw today is our offense for the year then it will be very disappointing.
To me it seemed like Purdy was told to stay in the pocket and not run the ball. He's a competitor and I guarantee he wants to run the ball, so the "not opening the playbook" theory makes sense.
ok just listend 2 cw podcast about the game.
same **** new year. offense = trash, defence = best ever blah blah blah. saving the playbook.
i love when the qb has 30 completions for under 300 yards. this is the paul rhoads type **** i miss.
same **** new year. offense = trash, defence = best ever blah blah blah. saving the playbook.
i love when the qb has 30 completions for under 300 yards. this is the paul rhoads type **** i miss.
demoncore1031
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Purdy was top 5 in the nation last year in yards per ATTEMPT, at more than 10.0... Yesterday he averaged less than 10 yards per COMPLETION. Goes to show just how key Butler was to the offense. But I think the passing game will be fine as long as the line gives Purdy time to do something.ok just listend 2 cw podcast about the game.
same **** new year. offense = trash, defence = best ever blah blah blah. saving the playbook.
i love when the qb has 30 completions for under 300 yards. this is the paul rhoads type **** i miss.
These out of the box cliches are so boring. There’s a lot of good discussion and inspection going on and this what 90% of posters want to roll with.
Totally agree. Purdy played like Noland/Kempt. His dynamic ability to scramble is what made this team dangerous last season. Purdy needs to take the zone read himself a few times to at least kee the defense honest.
I admit I was very frustrated with the play calling at critical times in the game. I don't understand why the passing game was so side to side instead of down field, especially with the safeties crowding up a lot.
With that said, Purdy had career high attempts and completions.
This game was uncomfortable for us who have been drinking the kool-aid from a fire hose because we made some mistakes at critical times, and for some reason Purdy seemed to uncharacteristicly make some poor decisions. I hope we got the rust knocked off!
For people younger than me, I want to remind you that the last time we had 3 eight win seasons in a row, those of us in the stands would scream at Earl Bruce's boring 3 yards and cloud of dust boring offense. It wasn't very long after he left we wanted him back.
I still think this will be a good year, but I am downgrading to a garden hose for drinking the kool-aid until we see the Purdy we had last year.
With that said, Purdy had career high attempts and completions.
This game was uncomfortable for us who have been drinking the kool-aid from a fire hose because we made some mistakes at critical times, and for some reason Purdy seemed to uncharacteristicly make some poor decisions. I hope we got the rust knocked off!
For people younger than me, I want to remind you that the last time we had 3 eight win seasons in a row, those of us in the stands would scream at Earl Bruce's boring 3 yards and cloud of dust boring offense. It wasn't very long after he left we wanted him back.
I still think this will be a good year, but I am downgrading to a garden hose for drinking the kool-aid until we see the Purdy we had last year.
See this is just silly. The alternative to yesterday is NOT “run and gun”. Literally no one is saying that. People are asking for better play calling, period. Better flow, period. Better sequencing, better execution, etc. Not calling a dumb ass off tackle run on 3rd and 6 when you NEED a big play and absolutely must get the first down. Not sitting on the ball at end of halves. Not be so predictable. Good ball control offenses very much are still hard to predict and hard to stop. They use play action, they set up plays later in the game, they utilize excellent timing with routes at different levels to get players open to catch in space and key the clock running.
Yesterday wasn’t really even vanilla. Variety was fine with the exception of making 0 attempt at stretching the 2nd and 3rd levels of the defense. It was just bad play calling. 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 - what in the hell was that?
The game “plan” yesterday was the exact type of plan that would give UNI a chance to compete. Couldn’t have given UNI any more confidence than we did.
The amount of complaining over a victory in week 1 is ridiculous. Idc if it was an fcs school. We have lost to fcs schools in week 1 in the past. Some people need to realize this team did what it took to win and that is all that matters at the end of the day. Now you let the coaches get to work on cleaning stuff up. There are going to be ugly weeks and there are going to be great weeks, but a win is a win.
We had mental mistakes and multiple coin flips not go our way. We averaged 5.4 ypp. That's not bad. Just a weird game. Stat line is really lopsided. They averaged 1.1 ypc if I remember. Move on, get better, win.
Had a couple perplexing play calls, but what killed us was the horrible timing of the (few) mistakes and penalties we made. Thought we were moving the ball just fine, but couldn’t get out of our own heads when it mattered most.
Clean up the mistakes and I’m not too worried for the rest of the year.
Clean up the mistakes and I’m not too worried for the rest of the year.
The playcalling was just beyond strange, there's no doubting that. And the entire scheme was just as puzzling.
You punt multiple times on 4th and 1 at midfield or better? That very first 4th and 1 we had at midfield in one of our first few drives where we punted sent the message to the entire team that we weren't out to win the game, but just try not to lose it.
You call a pass play on 3rd and 1, and then again on 4th and 1, but later you run it off tackle on 3rd and 6? You basically tell Purdy to never run or leave the pocket, never keep it on an RPO, and we're also never going to throw it past 10 yds all game?
Guess what Iowa did twice last night on 3rd and 1's? QB sneaks for 2 yd gains and kept the drives going. Duh. Genius. How did Manning not think of that?
And I cannot believe for the life of me that I'd ever see us sit on the ball at the end of a half with plenty of time on the clock and 2 timeouts. That again sent the team the message that we weren't going to try to win the game, but just hold on and not lose it.
Can you imagine if UNI had told their QB not to run yesterday but just stay patient and calm and stay in the pocket? What if they had told him... this is your first game ever, it's in a hostile environment that will be loud, so just go out there and don't try to do too much? But no, they told him to be himself and go out there and do what you do and have fun.
Sorry, but this offense under CMC has always been SO frustrating. It has always felt to me like we've wasted such good talent with such a horrible scheme and horrible playcalling. And the OL after all these years is no better at all IMO. Having everyone back from a bad OL last year might just not have been a good thing afterall. Who would have thought?
You punt multiple times on 4th and 1 at midfield or better? That very first 4th and 1 we had at midfield in one of our first few drives where we punted sent the message to the entire team that we weren't out to win the game, but just try not to lose it.
You call a pass play on 3rd and 1, and then again on 4th and 1, but later you run it off tackle on 3rd and 6? You basically tell Purdy to never run or leave the pocket, never keep it on an RPO, and we're also never going to throw it past 10 yds all game?
Guess what Iowa did twice last night on 3rd and 1's? QB sneaks for 2 yd gains and kept the drives going. Duh. Genius. How did Manning not think of that?
And I cannot believe for the life of me that I'd ever see us sit on the ball at the end of a half with plenty of time on the clock and 2 timeouts. That again sent the team the message that we weren't going to try to win the game, but just hold on and not lose it.
Can you imagine if UNI had told their QB not to run yesterday but just stay patient and calm and stay in the pocket? What if they had told him... this is your first game ever, it's in a hostile environment that will be loud, so just go out there and don't try to do too much? But no, they told him to be himself and go out there and do what you do and have fun.
Sorry, but this offense under CMC has always been SO frustrating. It has always felt to me like we've wasted such good talent with such a horrible scheme and horrible playcalling. And the OL after all these years is no better at all IMO. Having everyone back from a bad OL last year might just not have been a good thing afterall. Who would have thought?
The playcalling last year at Iowa was conservative too.
I think CMC just wants to see where things are.
Iowa's staff has film of what ISU generally does from 3 seasons so I don't see how yesterday's game dictates how they'll prepare.
It's about execution and should be.
2nd half should have put it on and asserted themselves which was absolutley possible. That shovel pass in OT...what in the actual F.
I actually don't have a huge issue with coming out and being vanilla and conservative and just trying to run it down UNI's throat all day long.
But by the 3rd or 4th quarter when you realize you're in a dog fight and could easily lose the game and start the year 0-1.... wouldn't you open it up? That's what I don't understand?
Like someone said, we did the same thing last year in our first game against Iowa. Never even tried to win the game all day long. Just played not to lose. I'll never understand that kind of thinking? It sends the wrong message to your team.
But by the 3rd or 4th quarter when you realize you're in a dog fight and could easily lose the game and start the year 0-1.... wouldn't you open it up? That's what I don't understand?
Like someone said, we did the same thing last year in our first game against Iowa. Never even tried to win the game all day long. Just played not to lose. I'll never understand that kind of thinking? It sends the wrong message to your team.
It’s not Manning, and it’s not too conservative.
Did you watch last year’s games in which we believed the defense would keep the other team from scoring?
Conservative is fine, and not our issue. We have mercurial play sequences. This staff has preached being multiple, but we often are only as multiple as the bare minimum. Fortunately we are more effective when facing teams that score on our defense. There’s a difference between a philosophy that aims to minimize the impact of a thin margin for error, and one that creates a thin margin for error.
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Last year i was bothered by inflexibility in play-calling and was disappointed to see the same thing against UNI. It seems to me that CMC goes into a game with his reasonable game plan but doesn't have flexibility to come off it when it doesn't work. Like against the Hawks last year. How long did it take him to realize we can't play Hawkeye-style football against them? The approach is too conservative. Like, yeah, i understand punting on 4th and 1 with the great defense we have, but he KEPT DOING IT even when we were honestly desperate to score. And then somehow calls a pass when we finally did go for it on 4 and 1. WTF?
My point is that CMC lacks flexibility and creativity. Yes, it's a good plan to go into a game with but he seems too stubborn to abandon a plan that is supposed to work on paper. It doesn't portend well.
