MONDAY MUSINGS: UNI film takeaways, an early look at Iowa in two weeks

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Two weeks of everyone outside the program bagging on us for week one is just what the doctor ordered. We’re going to come out with something to prove against Iowa.

Part of me wants to drop out of the AP poll, too. I think its 60/40 we do/don't.
 
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Look. Our O-Line as currently constituted just isn’t that talented. It’s not CMC’s fault, it’s not anyone’s fault. But they are just limited. And they will continue to be limited because the talent just isn’t there right now. We’ve always been working around them rather than through them.
Let's just see how we do against Iowa first before we make any overarching statements about the offensive line. If we do well against them I don't think anyone is going to be throwing the offensive line under the bus.
 

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Part of me wants to drop out of the AP poll, too. I think its 60/40 we do/don't.
I don't think we'll drop 5 spots for beating a team and not looking god awful. AP voters will not only look at the score but they will look at the stats and probably drop us down a peg or two, but completely putting us out would surprise me a lot. It really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.
 

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Let's just see how we do against Iowa first before we make any overarching statements about the offensive line. If we do well against them I don't think anyone is going to be throwing the offensive line under the bus.

It’s not going to change the fact that they aren’t that talented and we have to work around them rather than through them. I’m not going to take that much out of the CyHawk game just like I’m not making this observation from the UNI game alone. Our Oline isn’t that good. They aren’t going to get much better. We already might have a shuffle situation which isn’t optimal. The question is whether the staff will continue to bang their heads against the wall (which we’ve seen in the past) or start figuring out how to play in reality.
 
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I don't think we'll drop 5 spots for beating a team and not looking god awful. AP voters will not only look at the score but they will look at the stats and probably drop us down a peg or two, but completely putting us out would surprise me a lot. It really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.

You're more optimistic with AP voters than me!

I think most of those guys go off of score and score only. West coast guys, for sure.
 
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You're more optimistic with AP voters than me!

I think most of those guys go off of score and score only. West coast guys, for sure.
Yeah maybe. I just think it'll work itself out and we'll wind up being 24 or 25. We'll see here soon!
 

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It’s not going to change the fact that they aren’t that talented and we have to work around them rather than through them. I’m not going to take that much out of the CyHawk game just like I’m not making this observation from the UNI game alone. Our Oline isn’t that good. They aren’t going to get much better. We already might have a shuffle situation which isn’t optimal. The question is whether the staff will continue to bang their heads against the wall (which we’ve seen in the past) or start figuring out how to play in reality.
I'm not saying we have an amazing offensive line or anything, I just don't think we're unbelievably bad either. We ran the ball for almost 200 yards last game and it's not like we had David Montgomery back there. Other than a select few times, we gave Brock quite a bit of time to throw the ball. We have to get some things fine tuned but I do think we were not abysmal against UNI.
 

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I did a quick search on google and CBS, NCAA and the Stadium all have us still ranked. They all said the close game accounts for a couple of drops in the polls, but that's about it.
 

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It’s not going to change the fact that they aren’t that talented and we have to work around them rather than through them. I’m not going to take that much out of the CyHawk game just like I’m not making this observation from the UNI game alone. Our Oline isn’t that good. They aren’t going to get much better. We already might have a shuffle situation which isn’t optimal. The question is whether the staff will continue to bang their heads against the wall (which we’ve seen in the past) or start figuring out how to play in reality.

"I'm not going to take much out if it" but I'm just going to $hit all over a unit that actually played ok...
 

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I'm not saying we have an amazing offensive line or anything, I just don't think we're unbelievably bad either. We ran the ball for almost 200 yards last game and it's not like we had David Montgomery back there. Other than a select few times, we gave Brock quite a bit of time to throw the ball. We have to get some things fine tuned but I do think we were not abysmal against UNI.

I agree. We aren’t that bad but we’re not that good either. That’s ceiling for our current set up. They aren’t going to miraculously get a bunch better and I don’t think they will regress much either. But the baseline wasn’t nearly as high as some people think it was for this group. Look at other top half Big 12 or Iowa’s line and then try to plug any of our starters in to those teams starting lines. There’s not a one that would be a no brainer plug in.
 

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I'm not saying we have an amazing offensive line or anything, I just don't think we're unbelievably bad either. We ran the ball for almost 200 yards last game and it's not like we had David Montgomery back there. Other than a select few times, we gave Brock quite a bit of time to throw the ball. We have to get some things fine tuned but I do think we were not abysmal against UNI.

I rewatched the game twice. The tackles got blow up some, get purdy running some and everyone will be back on the hype train.
 
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I did a quick search on google and CBS, NCAA and the Stadium all have us still ranked. They all said the close game accounts for a couple of drops in the polls, but that's about it.

Yeah, I was reading that stuff too.

A lot of the AP voters will post their ballot to Twitter, too. But I haven't gotten that far yet.
 

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For those complaining about a lack of deep throws, ISU got a pretty good taste of it's own medicine with what UNI did on defense, and from a scheming standpoint, they played it correctly. UNI dropped 3 safeties deep and was playing its first zone 10-12 yards deep. Take away big play potential and force the offense to be patient and dink and dunk. Sound familiar? The bait is to get impatient and try to force it deep, which we didn't.

And I know "what if's" are pointless, but take away the two drive killing effort penalties that wouldn't have been penalties any other year, as well as the fumble-that-wasnt-a-fumble, and the score probably looks something more like 24-6 or 30-6, and none of us are complaining despite the super vanilla playcalling, Purdy not rushing, and a few bad missed assignments by the OLine
 

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Run blocking they were fine. Pass blocking was a regression from last year.

Which is all correctable. I don't think any of us were expecting to see our offensive line dominant/hitting on all cylinders...
 
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For those complaining about a lack of deep throws, ISU got a pretty good taste of it's own medicine with what UNI did on defense, and from a scheming standpoint, they played it correctly. UNI dropped 3 safeties deep and was playing its first zone 10-12 yards deep. Take away big play potential and force the offense to be patient and dink and dunk. Sound familiar? The bait is to get impatient and try to force it deep, which we didn't.

And I know "what if's" are pointless, but take away the two drive killing effort penalties that wouldn't have been penalties any other year, as well as the fumble-that-wasnt-a-fumble, and the score probably looks something more like 24-6 or 30-6, and none of us are complaining despite the super vanilla playcalling, Purdy not rushing, and a few bad missed assignments by the OLine
This x1000. The few things that made this game close came down to things that can be easily fixed. Even the pass that Jones dropped on I believe the first drive had the potential to go the distance. The blocking by the WR's were set up and if he makes one guy miss he was gone. It's little things like that that can keep the game close.
 

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This x1000. The few things that made this game close came down to things that can be easily fixed. Even the pass that Jones dropped on I believe the first drive had the potential to go the distance. The blocking by the WR's were set up and if he makes one guy miss he was gone. It's little things like that that can keep the game close.

In the second half there were a few run plays that were dang close to being home runs too. Credit UNI, they are a very disciplined defensive team.
 

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In the second half there were a few run plays that were dang close to being home runs too. Credit UNI, they are a very disciplined defensive team.
UNI didn't make a mistake on either side of the ball. They were not going to provide us with any avenue to win the game easy. I brought this up to a friend, but two years ago we struggled offensively against UNI as well. We had 3 interceptions in the first half though, in which two of them were returned for TD's. Our offense pulled away at the end of the game but we already had a nice cushion to work with. The next game our offense came out firing on all cylinders against Iowa and looked fantastic.
 

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Farley is a fine coach. He prepares his teams as well as anybody, plus you know UNI is as fired up to play us (or EIU) as they are against anyone. It will be interesting to see what UNI's record is at season's end.

And I agree, I don't think Manning wanted to show much of anything this early. (Although it nearly backfired on him.)