Lincoln coach to face possible charges for yelling
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Ref could help the ref world out here tremendously. He can say he saw a replay and did miss the play, then say he believes if he meets with the coach they can probably work things out.
Have the coach them apologize again and say that coaches and public need to treat officials better because they make mistakes just like the rest of us.
Dowling could do something also but I’ve never seen a catholic school take a stand and admit poor sportsmanship ever and they are generally the worst.
Have the coach them apologize again and say that coaches and public need to treat officials better because they make mistakes just like the rest of us.
Dowling could do something also but I’ve never seen a catholic school take a stand and admit poor sportsmanship ever and they are generally the worst.
This whole situation seems to be blown out of proportion and the coach being made an example of over some technicalities. First off I don't approve of his behavior, he should not come out on the field or said what he did but I get where his frustration was coming from. I'd be angry too if I just saw my kid get nailed like that and the ref didn't throw a flag given today's atmosphere of player safety. I wouldn't have come out on the field yelling at him but you'd bet I would be having conversations with school officials about filing a complaint on the no-call when it was a player safety issue. Has there been any story on how the kid is doing after that hit too? Also I wonder if the teams were flipped and it was a Dowling kid that got hit how quick that flag may have came out.
I think cooler heads may have prevailed had they attempted to deal with this without legal action and big public spectacle it has become. The coach voluntarily resigned already and seems to be taking responsibility for his actions, but I highly doubt what he said in the heat of the moment of anger that he was planning to follow through on what he said. He didn't physically touch him either, pretty sure had all involved sat down and had a conversation about this a day or 2 later cooler heads would have prevailed, apologies exchanged and everyone moves on but now they basically have turned this into a national story.
I don't envy high school refs and umpires, they take a lot of crap for their jobs that isn't deserved but in this case I think the Iowa HS Athletics need to review that hit and take appropriate action because that was helmet to helmet and leading with the crown of his helmet and that official should have called it accordingly. You probably were not going to get blowback for calling that targeting than if you don't even if you had a slightest doubt that it might not have been given today's culture.
I think cooler heads may have prevailed had they attempted to deal with this without legal action and big public spectacle it has become. The coach voluntarily resigned already and seems to be taking responsibility for his actions, but I highly doubt what he said in the heat of the moment of anger that he was planning to follow through on what he said. He didn't physically touch him either, pretty sure had all involved sat down and had a conversation about this a day or 2 later cooler heads would have prevailed, apologies exchanged and everyone moves on but now they basically have turned this into a national story.
I don't envy high school refs and umpires, they take a lot of crap for their jobs that isn't deserved but in this case I think the Iowa HS Athletics need to review that hit and take appropriate action because that was helmet to helmet and leading with the crown of his helmet and that official should have called it accordingly. You probably were not going to get blowback for calling that targeting than if you don't even if you had a slightest doubt that it might not have been given today's culture.
No, refs shouldn't get to yell at coaches at least not until they have to face the press and public after the games like the coaches and players.
What coach or player is facing the press and angry public after a high school game?
If you want a high school official who gets paid $90 to address the public who might be biased towards their team after a game, good luck. You won't have high school officials anymore.
Back to my question:
Who brought the police in? Who is making the complaint?
Agree and I'm ok with suspending a player after the fact when found on video. The players and coaches need to be held accountable - maybe this would help correct poor coaching and players need to know so they don't do something like this and get away with it. I know not all games are filmed but a play like this needs to be penalized. In college and pros there are a lot of cameras but in high school there isn't so if a play involving player safety is on film there should be a review and if warranted suspension imposed. I know this probably won't happen due to monetary constraints.
I think it's pretty clear if what he said is true it's 1st degree based on this:
2. a. A person commits harassment in the first degree when the person commits harassment involving a threat to commit a forcible felony, or commits harassment and has previously been convicted of harassment three or more times under this section or any similar statute during the preceding ten years.
With that said, I just can't see a need to prosecute this. Apologize and move on.
TBH, I read most of this thread before I watched the video and I was expecting a much more egregious hit. It 100% should have been a penalty, but to me it looked like the defensive player dipped his shoulder to hit the QB in the chest, turned his head sideways, and while doing so made contact with the helmet.
The situation was made worse since the defender was significantly taller/bigger than the QB and it ended up being an awkward angle. Maybe I shouldn't be giving the benefit of the doubt to the defender, but I didn't see as much intent as other posters. Football is dangerous, and it is especially dangerous when there is a large gap in physicality.
The situation was made worse since the defender was significantly taller/bigger than the QB and it ended up being an awkward angle. Maybe I shouldn't be giving the benefit of the doubt to the defender, but I didn't see as much intent as other posters. Football is dangerous, and it is especially dangerous when there is a large gap in physicality.
I would guess that the charge will be pled out to something much lower. However, I think the initial charge was filed because they do not want to normalize this and the police did not appreciate the coach going on KCCI under-representing what he said when they had information it was much worse. I think that interview was a misfire. I think if he had just resigned and apologized and left it that, the charge may not have been filed. Who knows though. Sad deal for everyone involved.
I think you're misreading. I think 1st degree is either a threat to commit a forcible felony OR you commit a harassment and you've been convicted of 3 or more in the last 10 years.
Just two alternative ways to commit the crime. Either threaten to commit a forcible felony OR commit any level of harassment with three or more prior harassment convictions in the last 10 years.
a. A person commits harassment in the first degree when the person commits harassment involving a threat to commit a forcible felony, or commits harassment and has previously been convicted of harassment three or more times under this section or any similar statute during the preceding ten years.
This is basically ********. No bias here on your part.
I really can see no situation for a profanity laced melt down by a coach. You teach your kids to play through bad calls. I love sports and I know I probably acted inappropriate a few times so I'm not perfect but in the end it's a game. It was a bad missed call but obviously being his son was involved he lost it. No excuse for that kind of behavior IMO.
Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Still not an excuse to go after a ref. There are more appropriate and mature ways to handle it.
