Hilton Madness and secret scrimmage?

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From my understanding, Hilton Madness was a Fred thing that he wanted to see built up into something big like what they do at Kansas or Kentucky like eventually having celebrities show up. Ultimately that plan either died out because they didn't see it feasible or it died when Fred left.

young whippersnappers!

Hilton Madness was a Johnny institution.

still not sure how they got him to wear that white tux.
 
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It is great to see Griffin healthy. I really think he offers something unique on this team with his combination of size and quickness. It will be interesting to see if he can play his way into some minutes at the 4. I think a lot will depend on his ability to play defense.
 

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I don't see why Lewis can't be the 4 in a 4 guard lineup. Aren't him and Griffin the same height? Griffin might have some muscle on him but it isn't like either is very stout.
 

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I don't see why Lewis can't be the 4 in a 4 guard lineup. Aren't him and Griffin the same height? Griffin might have some muscle on him but it isn't like either is very stout.

If he were to become a scorer and distributor to offset the defensive deficiencies going against an average power forward, then sure. I'm not sure we've seen that out of him. Griffin at least has a little beef and aggressiveness, but not totally excited about either.
 
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Frankly, given last year's numbers, cap city league numbers, simple size and experience, to me Jacobson is the only candidate for the 4 spot. Griffin or Conditt should be able to fill 10-15 per game as needed.
 

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I don't see why Lewis can't be the 4 in a 4 guard lineup. Aren't him and Griffin the same height? Griffin might have some muscle on him but it isn't like either is very stout.
I think it would come more naturally for Zion considering he was the starting Center on his HS Team. Spent alot more time guarding the post before getting to Ames.
 

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Given we usually play most minutes only 7 deep, and the two off the bench have to be a 1-3 guy and a 4,5 guy, doesn't that make Griffin less likely than Conditt and Lewis or Jackson?

Given the starting lineup, thinking Jackson can play 1-3, Lewis 2-4, and Conditt 4-5, but Griffin likely a 4 only guy. All this assumes short minutes and not their primary role.
 
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Given we usually play most minutes only 7 deep, and the two off the bench have to be a 1-3 guy and a 4,5 guy, doesn't that make Griffin less likely than Conditt and Lewis or Jackson?

Given the starting lineup, thinking Jackson can play 1-3, Lewis 2-4, and Conditt 4-5, but Griffin likely a 4 only guy. All this assumes short minutes and not their primary role.

I think you’re right. Prohm says he likes to play 7 and a half so there’s a good choice Zion is that half and we don’t go smaller than Zion at the 4. Keep the 5 rotation simple between Solo and Conditt.

You could also have Zion being the backup at 4 and Jacobsen just moves between 4 and the 5 spot he played exclusively last year. It would require Zion being good enough to compete with Conditt for minutes.

Prohm has already talked on camera about trying lineups with Nixon, Tyrese, or Bolton at the 4. To be honest, once I heard that, I pretty much gave up on Lewis being a significant contributor. Because the only reason to play those guys at the 4 is because he’s thinking about ways to get Jackson or Leech (or Steyer) in the lineup.
 

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I think you’re right. Prohm says he likes to play 7 and a half so there’s a good choice Zion is that half and we don’t go smaller than Zion at the 4. Keep the 5 rotation simple between Solo and Conditt.

You could also have Zion being the backup at 4 and Jacobsen just moves between 4 and the 5 spot he played exclusively last year. It would require Zion being good enough to compete with Conditt for minutes.

Prohm has already talked on camera about trying lineups with Nixon, Tyrese, or Bolton at the 4. To be honest, once I heard that, I pretty much gave up on Lewis being a significant contributor. Because the only reason to play those guys at the 4 is because he’s thinking about ways to get Jackson or Leech (or Steyer) in the lineup.

The whole super small ball with 4 straight up guards surprises me. Maybe fallout of moving the 3 pt line and lack of options. If prohm didn't say it I'd never believe it.
 
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The whole super small ball with 4 straight up guards surprises me. Maybe fallout of moving the 3 pt line and lack of options. If prohm didn't say it I'd never believe it.

My guess is that they’re just thinking for a case where we struggle to defend on the perimeter and Griffin and Lewis aren’t ready.
 

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I would rather him be another Ejim type player, or a Fizer type player, maybe even a Kenny Pratt, or Damion Staple type player! Why is everyone so obsessed with wanting everyone to be like Hogue? I get it he is and was a damn good player. But the wishful comparison everyone has on this board is getting old. Find another player to want current players to be like!
You remind me of Dustin Hogue when he got grumpy. ;-)
 

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My guess is that they’re just thinking for a case where we struggle to defend on the perimeter and Griffin and Lewis aren’t ready.

So for situational defense. I would have thought about fast pace offense. Makes someone like Leech or Jackson interesting. Just so small though.
 
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