The magic is gone

[CyHans]

The thing I've seen the past two years when we supposedly had much deeper talent is no on court leadership. In the past we had mentally tough guys like Niang, Morris, Kane, Ejim etc who came ready each game and got on guys for not playing hard. The past two years we've had guys standing around, watching the other team get loose balls and rebounds. Prohm said he was stressing toughness. If they can't find motivation against Iowa I don't know where you find it.

 

[Statefan10]

I used to love watching basketball, now its virtually unwatchable with one and done, transfers, and honestly, for ISU, a lack of winning. We really haven't been good at basketball since Larry Eustacy left. At no point during Hoiberg's tenure did we have a shot to win it all, he coached no defense and the teams lacked toughness. I agree Hilton magic is gone, but its been going for almost 2 decades. We are becoming a football school more and more every year, we need to do whatever we can to keep Matt Campbell. Maybe he can coach the basketball team too.

This aint it chief

 

[awd4cy]

I used to love watching basketball, now its virtually unwatchable with one and done, transfers, and honestly, for ISU, a lack of winning. We really haven't been good at basketball since Larry Eustacy left. At no point during Hoiberg's tenure did we have a shot to win it all, he coached no defense and the teams lacked toughness. I agree Hilton magic is gone, but its been going for almost 2 decades. We are becoming a football school more and more every year, we need to do whatever we can to keep Matt Campbell. Maybe he can coach the basketball team too.

Jesus Christ, we were good under Hoiberg and the first 2 years of Prohm. You act like our football team has been ranked between 9-20 regularly like our basketball team had been. You not liking basketball since Eustachy is a you problem.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

If Niang doesn't break his foot, we were easily the hottest team in the country and would have had a very real shot at the championship that year.

I mean you can throw around ifs all we want. We are talking about a coach that lost to UAB in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Fred's teams played no defense so its nearly impossible to say we would have won it all.

 

[BryceC]

Prohm is far from a perfect coach. But I think he's certainly good enough. I need to see a lot more to say somebody killed Hilton Magic. I've had season tickets for the end of the Eustachy era, all of Morgan, all of McD... Trust me, you see a 8-10 year stretch like that and you'd be begging for a crowd like we had yesterday.

 

[Dandy]

The crowd was awesome tonight when we actually made plays on defense and scored. When you are down 15+ for 30 minutes of the game it’s hard to get off of your ass.

Yep. Every time the crowd had reason to cheer last night ISU would immediately give up a three or an and-one and the crowd would die again. Not the fans' fault.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Jesus Christ, we were good under Hoiberg and the first 2 years of Prohm. You act like our football team has been ranked between 9-20 regularly like our basketball team had been. You not liking basketball since Eustachy is a you problem.

How many conference titles we win under Hoiberg? Also we are starting to be ranked in football as frequent as we are in basketball.

 

[awd4cy]

How many conference titles we win under Hoiberg?

How many have we won in football?

 

[moores2]

Anyone who thought that we were going to start this year on fire and beat a good Iowa team at home is nuts. This team lost 3 starters and the big 12 6th man of the year in just one year. 2 of them leaving early for the NBA. It takes TIME to build a team with chemistry. The Iowa team lost 1 player between this and last year. Yes, it was Cook, and he was good, but this team has been playing together for almost a full 2 years. (Outside of a couple freshman contributors, one of which is to sit in a corner and shoot 3's). Iowa was always going to play well this early with that level of chemistry. Cool the jets. Kentucky always looks somewhat pedestrian the first half of the season, and yes it will take this team longer to get it than a team full of 5 stars.

 

[NoCreativity]

I mean you can throw around ifs all we want. We are talking about a coach that lost to UAB in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Fred's teams played no defense so its nearly impossible to say we would have won it all.

You're an all or none type of guy. I dont know anybody that thought "winning it all" should be the goal every year. We definitely had a couple of Final Four caliber teams with Fred and Hilton was as tough as its been in school history. Not sure why you think this program hasnt been good at basketball since Eustachy. Fred had this place rocking and was one of the hottest programs in the country from 2012-2016.

 

[moores2]

Yep. Every time the crowd had reason to cheer last night ISU would immediately give up a three or an and-one and the crowd would die again. Not the fans' fault.

JoBo's three to push it back to 10 was an absolute dagger. But no defense is going to stop that kind of shot from that distance. If that one clanks, we could have very well won that game.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

How many have we won in football?

We haven't won a conference title in basketball in nearly 20 years, don't act we are Duke or something. We are closer to winning a title in football today than we have been in basketball the past several years.

 

[BryceC]

I used to love watching basketball, now its virtually unwatchable with one and done, transfers, and honestly, for ISU, a lack of winning. We really haven't been good at basketball since Larry Eustacy left. At no point during Hoiberg's tenure did we have a shot to win it all, he coached no defense and the teams lacked toughness. I agree Hilton magic is gone, but its been going for almost 2 decades. We are becoming a football school more and more every year, we need to do whatever we can to keep Matt Campbell. Maybe he can coach the basketball team too.

Larry's last two years the conference record was 9-23.

The two years we went undefeated in Hilton and won back to back Big 12 titles we had average attendance at Hilton of 10,543 fans and 12,360 fans.

We haven't sold that few tickets for YEARS. That was the average for the two best teams in ISU history.

People need to stop rewriting history. The fans right now are great. The team had a really, really bad game yesterday. That one seriously damaged our chances of making the NCAA tournament. These guys need our support more than ever right now.

 

[quasistellar]

a good Iowa team

Say what now? They're not that good. The game was played at Hilton.

We got absolutely curb stomped.

 

[NoCreativity]

Anyone who thought that we were going to start this year on fire and beat a good Iowa team at home is nuts. This team lost 3 starters and the big 12 6th man of the year in just one year. 2 of them leaving early for the NBA. It takes TIME to build a team with chemistry. The Iowa team lost 1 player between this and last year. Yes, it was Cook, and he was good, but this team has been playing together for almost a full 2 years. (Outside of a couple freshman contributors, one of which is to sit in a corner and shoot 3's). Iowa was always going to play well this early with that level of chemistry. Cool the jets. Kentucky always looks somewhat pedestrian the first half of the season, and yes it will take this team longer to get it than a team full of 5 stars.

This is all cool in theory and the prospect of taking time to build a team is fine, but next year will be year 6 and Prohm will have exactly 1 player, Solomon Young, who will have contributed to the program for 4 years in a significant way. You either have to build a program and get guys who will stay for 3-4 years, or you get one and done players like THT and go all in on those seasons. Prohm isnt doing either, I really have no idea what his long term plans are for this program, I honestly dont think he's had any since he took over.

 

[riceville98]

Prohm's Biggest Problem is....The guy just cant coach esp at this level...csp said in his presser that they worked on Iowas zone for three days.....and this is the result!...SAD DAY FOR HILTON MAGIC.....

How do we know Prohm's plan wasn't good. I'm not here to criticize players but, the TEAM didn't stick to the plan. One of them admitted as much on the radio after the game. I truly believe Prohm had the right plan, Get the ball to the middle of the zone, Play with ball movement and pace etc. The guys just didn't do it

 

[moores2]

Say what now? They're not that good. The game was played at Hilton.

We got absolutely curb stomped.

If the refs let Garza get away with traveling and shoving his way to the basket for the rest of the year, the guy is going to be an all-american first teamer. Their guards are terrible, but they cut hard and make three pointers off of doubles in the post. You don't have to have a lot of physical talent to be a good team, but they certainly played together a lot better than Iowa State did last night.

 

[pdxclone]

....thus, he's killed the magic.

Fans felt this way in 2016 (https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaa...state-s-shortcomings-is-unfair-072933696.html), but the media thought it was “unfair”.

Now 3 years later, Prohm’s home record is average. My season tickets last year said “Defend Hilton” and they lost 4 conf games. And you wonder why Prohm has to bribe students to attend the games. People were making fun of TOE AD For bribing students with pizza to attend games in Carver.

Point is Prohm has killed Hilton Magic or at least put it into a deep slumber. Upsets and making Hilton an extremely hard place to win is what Hilton Magic is about.

 

[moores2]

This is all cool in theory and the prospect of taking time to build a team is fine, but next year will be year 6 and Prohm will have exactly 1 player, Solomon Young, who will have contributed to the program for 4 years in a significant way. You either have to build a program and get guys who will stay for 3-4 years, or you get one and done players like THT and go all in on those seasons. Prohm isnt doing either, I really have no idea what his long term plans are for this program, I honestly dont think he's had any since he took over.

Look at our recruiting class, he has a lot of 4 year guys in that class. Jackson is going to be a great 4 year guy, Grill could be too. I think Prohm saw what happened with the high end guys he recruited and has changed his philosophy. Bolton will be a great 3 year guy, especially if he can learn to drive with his left hand.

 

[NoCreativity]

Why do you guys think Iowa ran us out of the gym last night? Iowa State has more talent, its because theyve been playing together for 3 or 4 years now.

Hoiberg's players havent been here for 3 seasons now. A trend has now developed of Prohm scrapping together new a roster every off-season and next year will be more of the same with Haliburton gone.

You can make fun of Fran and Iowa all you want but he knows how to build a program.