Brewer’s Career Over?

[jsb]

Certainly possible, but the training staff cleared him and it wasn't like the hit he took was noticeably vicious. Pretty standard for a big time football game. Rhule has a hundred things on his mind during a game and if the training staff says he's good, he probably didn't put any more thought into it. Give him a pass

Not really. The ref knew something was really bad and he doesn't know the kid. Rhule knows the kid and said he spoke to him. He should have known.

Plus he was on the ground for quite a while after that happened? Was Rhule not watching? It was pretty obvious that Charlie was swaying back and forth.

 

[jbindm]

The whole CCG thing makes me kind of think Brewer has done some hiding of it and knows kind of the tricks to pass. Still should have been caught and Baylor doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt but I think it’s partly a player issue too.

I don't know how the concussion protocol works for the college game, but I've read/heard stories about NFL players sandbagging on their baseline tests before the season so that it's easier to get clearance to play if they do get concussed.

 

[isufbcurt]

Should have just given him the smelling salts, that **** works every time. Wakes your ass right up.

 

[acoustimac]

At the NCAA level it could be as easy as the league of the home team providing the unaffiliated professional. It is essentially what is done with officiating which also is supposed to be impartial.

this would be nearly impossible to do. If a school didn’t like decisions made by the organization they would just contract with someone that gave them what they wanted to hear. Same would happen at the league level.

 

[farm85]

Videos are hard to watch..T&P are with Charlie!

(You have to click on the tweet to see the complete thread)

 

[VeloClone]

this would be nearly impossible to do. If a school didn’t like decisions made by the organization they would just contract with someone that gave them what they wanted to hear. Same would happen at the league level.

If leagues can get referees that way they can do it for health professionals. I never said it would be perfect, it would just be better than a doc who works directly for the team's AD.

 

[cyhiphopp]

If leagues can get referees that way they can do it for health professionals. I never said it would be perfect, it would just be better than a doc who works directly for the team's AD.

I would think the NCAA could afford to have an impartial doctor on the sidelines. It would be less expensive than being sued for millions for misdiagnosis.

 

[CysRage]

I read this morning That last night when he went down he was yelling at the training staff and doctors to let him up so he can get back in the game and play.

Was it the same source that said ISU's ESPN College Gameday set was going to be in a muddy construction zone?

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

A while back I read a book called “You’re ok, it’s just a bruise” about the Raiders medical staff in the 70s and 80s and how they would throw players out there that absolutely should not be out there because of the pressure from ownership and coaching staffs and the importance to win.

It’s remarkable how little progress businesses like the NFL and NCAA have made in those 40 years despite all of the medical and technological progress that has been made in that same time.

Read that book years ago, and the NFL really didn't care, about the safety of the players. Today, at least in the NFL that has changed. Not because the league wanted it too, but the players sued the league and won.
Today, the league assigns a private doctor, that has the final say when a player can return to the game. College needs to follow their example, have the league assign a doctor to be on the sidelines and they make the call if a player has a head or neck injury.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-nfl-concussion-settlement-supreme-court-20161212-story.html

 

[HoustonClone]

I had turned off the TV and missed the hit on Brewer in the second half. But I give ESPN credit last night for talking so openly in the first half about Brewer's concussion from the Big 12 championship game. They mentioned him being in a dark room for a week and showed footage of the officials removing him from the game after his coaches put him back in.

Amazingly, Rhule's training staff "failed" to see it until an official pointed it out. How he didn't catch more hell for that, I have no idea.

At the risk of going off topic with this thread (as I agree that Brewer's concussions are a serious matter), wasn't it Rhule and the Baylor staff who made sure that the Cyclones played without tents in absurdly hot conditions? I don't believe for a minute that they weren't the ones who made it an issue with the conference. Player safety, anyone?

 

[Trice]

At the risk of going off topic with this thread (as I agree that Brewer's concussions are a serious matter), wasn't it Rhule and the Baylor staff who made sure that the Cyclones played without tents in absurdly hot conditions? I don't believe for a minute that they weren't the ones who made it an issue with the conference. Player safety, anyone?

Going from memory here, but I recall that it was Baylor that complained about the tents. But it was also reported at the time that it is up to ISU to get approval from the Big 12 in order to use them, and ISU failed to do so. So it sounds like we dropped the ball on that. That's not a popular take, I'm sure, but let's not pretend if the situation were reversed we wouldn't be applauding Campbell for complaining to the league to get an edge at home.

Having said all that, Baylor was, and is, a garbage university. Of that, nobody needs convincing.

 

[CyCrazy]

At the risk of going off topic with this thread (as I agree that Brewer's concussions are a serious matter), wasn't it Rhule and the Baylor staff who made sure that the Cyclones played without tents in absurdly hot conditions? I don't believe for a minute that they weren't the ones who made it an issue with the conference. Player safety, anyone?

Well thats what happened. And BU and Rhule shouldn't have played the kid.

 

[HoustonClone]

Going from memory here, but I recall that it was Baylor that complained about the tents. But it was also reported at the time that it is up to ISU to get approval from the Big 12 in order to use them, and ISU failed to do so. So it sounds like we dropped the ball on that. That's not a popular take, I'm sure, but let's not pretend if the situation were reversed we wouldn't be applauding Campbell for complaining to the league to get an edge at home.

Having said all that, Baylor was, and is, a garbage university. Of that, nobody needs convincing.

I applaud the fact you can be more objective on this one than I can, Trice, as that's indeed what took place. If it was something other than player safety at stake, I may be able let it rest. It still pisses me off that (in my mind) Baylor whined about it knowing they'd get their way. And likely won the game because of it. But I digress.

 

[t-noah]

Didn't Steve Young and Troy Aikman retire early because of this? I think once you have the first......the others come much easier.

I know not apples to apples but if anything like ankle or other sprains, I get it.

 

[Trice]

I applaud the fact you can be more objective on this one than I can, Trice, as that's indeed what took place. If it was something other than player safety at stake, I may be able let it rest. It still pisses me off that (in my mind) Baylor whined about it knowing they'd get their way. And likely won the game because of it. But I digress.

Like I said, Baylor was garbage before this and they remain garbage today. No argument there.

Personally, I'm skeptical that cost us the game though reasonable people can disagree. I'd be more persuadable if we'd played well but we were awful for three quarters of that game. Then in the fourth, when exhaustion should have set in, we staged a furious rally.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

I'd be more persuadable if we'd played well but we were awful for three quarters of that game. Then in the fourth, when exhaustion should have set in, we staged a furious rally.

That's the thing, during those first 3 quarters, the sun was beating down on our guys while they were on the sideline. Magically, in the 4th quarter, while at least some of the sideline was in the shade (if memory serves), is when our guys were able to get things going. Shade makes a huge difference on a day like that, even if you've been subjected to it for hours prior to that.

 

[Trice]

That's the thing, during those first 3 quarters, the sun was beating down on our guys while they were on the sideline. Magically, in the 4th quarter, while at least some of the sideline was in the shade (if memory serves), is when our guys were able to get things going. Shade makes a huge difference on a day like that, even if you've been subjected to it for hours prior to that.

Having lived on earth, I'm pretty familiar with shade and its effects. Still skeptical one quarter of shade is going to magically replenish all our energy. We weren't ready to play that day, and it turns out it wasn't an aberration because we weren't ready to play on a few Saturdays.

Regardless, the issue would have been moot had only we petitioned the league like we could have and failed to do. Win in the margins, I think the phrase goes...

 

[farm85]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article140361933.html

Old story about former UT QB David Ash. Includes some good insight about football & concussions.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

Regardless, the issue would have been moot had only we petitioned the league like we could have and failed to do. Win in the margins, I think the phrase goes...

Petition or not, if the conference is serious about player safety, as they claim they are....they should have told Baylor to pound sand. Thankfully none of our players suffered heat stroke, but imagine what the uproar would have been had something of that nature happened.

 

[Trice]

Petition or not, if the conference is serious about player safety, as they claim they are....they should have told Baylor to pound sand. Thankfully none of our players suffered heat stroke, but imagine what the uproar would have been had something of that nature happened.

I mean, coaches are free to substitute as they wish to keep players fresh and hydrated. It's just hard for me to get worked up about this when it was our failure and I'm certain not one Cyclone fan would care if the shoe were on the other foot.