***Official 2019-2020 Transfer Thread***

[GetAwesome]

I'm just going to put on some current-situation-and-recruiting-miss blinders for a few moments and reflect upon the big picture that we're in a worrisome position with Cyclone basketball because Steve & Co. lost(put) too many players to(into) the professional ranks in too short of a time. That's a refreshing change-of-pace kind of problem.

tl;dr: This is what Kentucky must have felt like decades ago; we are beginning our ascension to NCAA basketball blue blooddom.

 

[ChickenNuggetMan]

I'm just going to put on some current-situation-and-recruiting-miss blinders for a few moments and reflect upon the big picture that we're in a worrisome position with Cyclone basketball because Steve & Co. lost(put) too many players to(into) the professional ranks in too short of a time. That's a refreshing change-of-pace kind of problem.

tl;dr: This is what Kentucky must have felt like decades ago; we are beginning our ascension to NCAA basketball blue blooddom.

Im gonna have to disagree with you here. We’ve had pretty pathetic season results for all the people we’ve been putting into the league. Kentucky at least wins most of their games and has a deep postseason run to show for it.

2 seasons ago we lost 3 players to the pros and we didn’t even win a NCAA tournament game. This season we had 20 losses and will be losing a lottery pick.

That’s not turning into a blueblood, that’s having a terrible coach.

 

[LLCoolCY]

Im gonna have to disagree with you here. We’ve had pretty pathetic season results for all the people we’ve been putting into the league. Kentucky at least wins most of their games and has a deep postseason run to show for it.

2 seasons ago we lost 3 players to the pros and we didn’t even win a NCAA tournament game. This season we had 20 losses and will be losing a lottery pick.

That’s not turning into a blueblood, that’s having a terrible coach.

So would you say the same for North Carolina and Roy Williams? The had a similar results of a year with a lottery pick PG.
Ol'Roy has Championships and HOFer so it isn't a fair question but sometimes even the coach can't overcome roster issues.
I'm not saying that CSP should be given more of a benefit and has proven to be a good coach in the B12 yet but probably not fair to say terrible. If nothing else Prohm should get credit for HS recruiting is better than most and identifying talent.

 

[thatguy]

So would you say the same for North Carolina and Roy Williams? The had a similar results of a year with a lottery pick PG.
Ol'Roy has Championships and HOFer so it isn't a fair question but sometimes even the coach can't overcome roster issues.
I'm not saying that CSP should be given more of a benefit and has proven to be a good coach in the B12 yet but probably not fair to say terrible. If nothing else Prohm should get credit for HS recruiting is better than most and identifying talent.

You mean like Leech, Anderson and Grill, or Long, Griffin and Lewis?

 

[WhoISthis]

So would you say the same for North Carolina and Roy Williams? The had a similar results of a year with a lottery pick PG.
Ol'Roy has Championships and HOFer so it isn't a fair question but sometimes even the coach can't overcome roster issues.
I'm not saying that CSP should be given more of a benefit and has proven to be a good coach in the B12 yet but probably not fair to say terrible.

So you’re saying nothing. Roy Williams having his first bad year doesn’t mean anything in regards to Prohm.

And who wouldn’t say the same for Roy? That was a bad year, and potentially a sign Roy isn’t as good at blending spring shopping into his roster as he needs to be in today’s CBB. He’s getting old and is no Coach K! How UNC fans react is up to them, but they’re likely balancing the fact it’s an anomaly season for Roy, with the knowledge being at the top of coaching is a perishable attribute and perhaps Roy is no longer up to the challenge. Prohm at ISU has more longevity than Roy at UNC imo.

 

[CyTwins]

 

[Gibbon]

Top 4, here we come!

 

[baagoe]

Darius Perry to UCF

 

[CyTwins]

Darius Perry to UCF

Well that's odd

 

[heitclone]

So would you say the same for North Carolina and Roy Williams? The had a similar results of a year with a lottery pick PG.
Ol'Roy has Championships and HOFer so it isn't a fair question but sometimes even the coach can't overcome roster issues.
I'm not saying that CSP should be given more of a benefit and has proven to be a good coach in the B12 yet but probably not fair to say terrible. If nothing else Prohm should get credit for HS recruiting is better than most and identifying talent.

Literally half the HS kids he's brought in have left because they weren't big 12 caliber players. That's not an exaggeration, that's the math. Tyrese was under radar but who else was? For every example like Tyrese there are 2 or 3 guys who were busts or where never big 12 caliber players in the first place. It's not like his busts just become role players, they end up having no impact. I'd say his deficiencies in the two area's you mentioned are exactly why the roster is in the condition its in, he misses on recruits or doesn't develop them, then is forced to chase transfers or gambles on HS kids to make up for those misses. He ends up having to replace 3/4 kids every year while not developing guys through the program. It's just not sustainable for a program like ISU.

 

[ChickenNuggetMan]

So would you say the same for North Carolina and Roy Williams? The had a similar results of a year with a lottery pick PG.
Ol'Roy has Championships and HOFer so it isn't a fair question but sometimes even the coach can't overcome roster issues.
I'm not saying that CSP should be given more of a benefit and has proven to be a good coach in the B12 yet but probably not fair to say terrible. If nothing else Prohm should get credit for HS recruiting is better than most and identifying talent.

I think that’s where overall body of work comes in to play. Prohm is on pace to have as many “bad” years as “good” years after this upcoming season. Roy just had his worst year, yes, but he has far far more “good” years.

 

[WhoISthis]

I think that’s where overall body of work comes in to play. Prohm is on pace to have as many “bad” years as “good” years after this upcoming season.

Clearly Roy has a great body of work (at two of the easiest places to win).

If Prohm had taken the Bama job, I’d say there is a good chance he’d have as many good years ahead as Williams (if at Bama). At ISU, with these assistants, I’m less optimistic.

 

[Cyforce]

Literally half the HS kids he's brought in have left because they weren't big 12 caliber players. That's not an exaggeration, that's the math. Tyrese was under radar but who else was? For every example like Tyrese there are 2 or 3 guys who were busts or where never big 12 caliber players in the first place. It's not like his busts just become role players, they end up having no impact. I'd say his deficiencies in the two area's you mentioned are exactly why the roster is in the condition its in, he misses on recruits or doesn't develop them, then is forced to chase transfers or gambles on HS kids to make up for those misses. He ends up having to replace 3/4 kids every year while not developing guys through the program. It's just not sustainable for a program like ISU.

I posted the numbers on the BigXII 2018 recruits a week or so back, half of them averaged 5 or less points last season. So you're blaming him for the same outcome as the rest of the league.

I think the new class balance looks something like this.

Sign 4 high schoolers ever year.
1 leaves 1st year
1 leaves 2nd year
1 turns pro 2nd year
1 4 year player

Add a GT and a 2 year transfer every year.
So you'd have: 4 FR, 3 SO, 2 JR, 3 SR.

 

[Drew0311]

Prohm high school recruiting is a little bizarre. Either you go pro or fail.

 

[heitclone]

Prohm high school recruiting is a little bizarre. Either you go pro or fail.

But odds are, you fail.

 

[heitclone]

I posted the numbers on the BigXII 2018 recruits a week or so back, half of them averaged 5 or less points last season. So you're blaming him for the same outcome as the rest of the league.

I think the new class balance looks something like this.

Sign 4 high schoolers ever year.
1 leaves 1st year
1 leaves 2nd year
1 turns pro 2nd year
1 4 year player

Add a GT and a 2 year transfer every year.
So you'd have: 4 FR, 3 SO, 2 JR, 3 SR.

The difference is, other coaches recruited, developed and coached their players better so it didn't tank their season. We were dependent on those guys because of issues with recruiting and development. All coaches deal with these things, some just handle them better than others. The balance you list looks great but this staff has essentially been doing that the last 4 classes and have proven it's not ideal for them.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Prohm high school recruiting is a little bizarre. Either you go pro or fail.

This is the biggest reason he has struggled. If a even a handful of his high school guys would have been 4 year players we would be having more consistency

 

[Drew0311]

This is the biggest reason he has struggled. If a even a handful of his high school guys would have been 4 year players we would be having more consistency

Yeah it's almost the worst possible scenario. Like Fran McCaffrey can miss on a couple recruits because none of his guys go pro. However, if you miss on two recruits and two go pro. It spells doom. I just want a couple good 4 year guys like Ejim. No threat to turn pro early but really good college players.

 

[isutrevman]

If you are batting 0.500 with high school players, you are probably ahead of the curve. Hoiberg was like 0.250 at best. Prohm's problem is he's also struck out with a high % of transfers, and the high school players he has hit on all leave early.

 

[baagoe]

maybe the top sit out guy. we weren’t in contention but i think memphis is in on some guys we’re after too so could help