Gamer nerds: what video game affected you the most emotionally?

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Disco Elysium was the most recent game that shook me up. It's so unique compared to other games.

While I did not like big parts of the story in TLOU2, many people seemed to enjoy it, and that is OK!

In my opinion, the amount of hate spewing from neckbeards and trolls is insane. The writers took major risks writing the story, and it won't be everyone's cup of tea.
 
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Disco Elysium was the most recent game that shook me up. It's so unique compared to other games.

While I did not like big parts of the story in TLOU2, many people seemed to enjoy it, and that is OK!

In my opinion, the amount of hate spewing from neckbeards and trolls is insane. The writers took major risks writing the story, and it won't be everyone's cup of tea.
Almost bought that the other day
 
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It seems there were a bunch of out of context spoilers, and I guess people just realized Ellie is a lesbian (which has been known since the first game and DLC) that is causing the online hate. Seems a lot of the hate comes from the same part of the internet as gamergate from what I have seen.

The gameplay is still an incredibly brutal murder simulator and mechanically it is really good.There are some story things that some may not like, but I waiting til I complete to see how it all unfolds before saying whether it works or not.

Yah, all the previous games and DLC hinted at her being a lesbian and all sold very well. Even the first trailer from years ago had Ellie dancing with Dina. Nobody seemed to have an issue with any of this until the April leaks, so I'm not sure that is a great argument. The game does seem to be dividing the "community" of players. My big issue with the game has been

How they let Joel die within the first 2 hours. I played the first game twice and the DLC once. That was NOT the Joel I remember from the first game. Tommy and Joel giving their names to complete strangers that outnumbered them? Yeeesh. Then to have the other character, (who looks and speaks just like the game director) walk over and spit on Joel's dead body?

The rest of the story is OK so far. Some of it is getting a bit repetitive. The graphics and game mechanics do seem to be top notch.
 
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Also,

NaughtyDog definitely put Joel into the final trailer in spots that he WASN"T at in the game. IMO that is pretty shady and deceptive.

 

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Yah, all the previous games and DLC hinted at her being a lesbian and all sold very well. I don't think that is a great argument. The game does seem to be dividing the "community" of players. My big issue with the game has been

How they let Joel die within the first 2 hours. I played the first game twice and the DLC once. That was NOT the Joel I remember from the first game. Tommy and Joel giving their names to complete strangers that outnumbered them? Yeeesh. Then to have the other character, (who looks and speaks just like the game director) walk over and spit on Joel's dead body?

The rest of the story is OK so far. Some of it is getting a bit repetitive. The graphics and game mechanics do seem to be top notch.

If you don't think that is a big issue, then you are ignoring it. The amount of stuff about "SJW" and "liberal agenda" in the metacritic "user reviews" should tell you all you need to know.

I mean how did you not see this coming a mile away from the moment they announced the game? This is a game about hate and revenge, it was actually very predictable. In the heat of the moment being chased by infected, chances are you will do anything to survive and it was Tommy who game the names, not Joel. Also Joel is a bad dude who did a lot of bad things. It makes sense he would have people coming after him. So far the rest of the game seems to be putting context on why that happened. Plus there is still plenty of Joel in the game that I have played so far.

The character who spit on Joel is Hispanic, talks Hispanic, and is played by a Hispanic actor so not sure how anyone is making that connection without a certain agenda. Druckman I believe is from the Middle East too. He created these characters, I don't get where people think he hates Joel. The museum section was one of the best parts of the game so far.
 

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Also,

NaughtyDog definitely put Joel into the final trailer in spots that he WASN"T at in the game. IMO that is pretty shady and deceptive.



Marvel Movies do that stuff all the time in the trailers to throw people off what is going to happen. The hulk did not appear in this scene in the movie

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If you don't think that is a big issue, then you are ignoring it. The amount of stuff about "SJW" and "liberal agenda" in the metacritic "user reviews" should tell you all you need to know.

I'm not saying it isn't there, it is.

But I'm also seeing folks throwing ANYONE who has issues with the game into that fringe minority. I understand its a very polarizing game. However, in the community it seems like if you have ANY an issue with the game, your then labeled a racist, sexist, bigot...etc.

But yes, I've seen a good amount comments about SJW stuff. Didn't really see any right / left political type comments, but I'm sure they are there.
 

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Marvel Movies do that stuff all the time in the trailers to throw people off what is going to happen. The hulk did not appear in this scene in the movie

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Agreed.

Thing is, in the game's case, it changed only AFTER the April 2020 leaks. Inserting those scenes was damage control.
 

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Disco Elysium was the most recent game that shook me up. It's so unique compared to other games.

While I did not like big parts of the story in TLOU2, many people seemed to enjoy it, and that is OK!

In my opinion, the amount of hate spewing from neckbeards and trolls is insane. The writers took major risks writing the story, and it won't be everyone's cup of tea.

That's on my wish list. It sounds intriguing, but very different than the stuff I normally play.
 

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Finished TLOU P2 and that is a great video game, on par with 1 for me. The graphics, combat, tech, acting and story are all top notch. It might go on a little too long, but overall I enjoyed the hell out of it. I feel sorry for people for people freaked out about leaked spoilers that were correct and incorrect. It's a 25+ hour game, so much is explained in the game that add context, not to mention the stealth gameplay loop really solid.
 

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Also,

NaughtyDog definitely put Joel into the final trailer in spots that he WASN"T at in the game. IMO that is pretty shady and deceptive.



Finished the game so I dove into some of this yesterday and I love it, in an era where everything is spoiled I wish more games did this.
 

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Finished TLOU P2 and that is a great video game, on par with 1 for me. The graphics, combat, tech, acting and story are all top notch. It might go on a little too long, but overall I enjoyed the hell out of it. I feel sorry for people for people freaked out about leaked spoilers that were correct and incorrect. It's a 25+ hour game, so much is explained in the game that add context, not to mention the stealth gameplay loop really solid.

The acting/tech in the cut scenes was amazing, and the story needed it to pull off some of things they were trying to do.

The way the play with perspective at some key points is something I don't think I've ever experienced before. Somebody described it as a game of bad people making bad decisions and that pretty much describes how I felt about it.
 

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Finished the game so I dove into some of this yesterday and I love it, in an era where everything is spoiled I wish more games did this.

You really wish a product to be advertised one way and then delivered another?

While I like the surprise aspect of that, others think its false advertising. Also, the quotes where Neil D said "The only playable character is Ellie" from 2019 didn't age real well.

I'm not sure where I fall on the argument. There are good arguments being made on both sides.

The main streamer I watch is now playing through this. He LOVED the game until about half way through. He HATES that you HAVE to kill dogs, then later in the game interact with those very same dogs. Also, hates that you have to play as Abbie for the second half. He isn't all the way through yet, so maybe his attitude will change.
 

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Mass effect, mostly it is because it is my favorite game series. The ending of 3 though threw me into a fury. Partly because it was over but mostly because of all the plot holes and confusing logic. However, the extended cut redeemed the series for me a bit. Still don’t like the ending but definitely stomachable.
 

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You really wish a product to be advertised one way and then delivered another?

While I like the surprise aspect of that, others think its false advertising. Also, the quotes where Neil D said "The only playable character is Ellie" from 2019 didn't age real well.

I'm not sure where I fall on the argument. There are good arguments being made on both sides.

The main streamer I watch is now playing through this. He LOVED the game until about half way through. He HATES that you HAVE to kill dogs, then later in the game interact with those very same dogs. Also, hates that you have to play as Abbie for the second half. He isn't all the way through yet, so maybe his attitude will change.

For this scenario, story based game, sequel, stuff leaking like crazy, etc. absolutely. I want to be surprised.

I get the attachment to characters but I'm here to play the story they want to tell, no one character makes or breaks this series for me. He's dead but he's in the game quite a bit and he is the main driver for the characters choices throughout.

The Abby stuff definitely came around for me, I don't like her but I think her journey is interesting and justifies her desire for revenge. The part I can really see people split on is how you don't have any freedom to make your own choices, the characters make some real bad ones and you're just there to experience them. Also I think it's pretty inarguable that Ellie is a complete monster in this game, I expect that to piss people off.
 

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Finished TLOU2 yesterday and here are my thoughts.

TL;DR—Excellent graphics and level design. Okay gameplay. Poor story execution.





In-game graphics were pretty good. Loved the seamless transition between gameplay and cutscenes—one of the many things that helps this feel like a movie. In-game dialogue during downtime is also really nice for world building. Not a fan of the endless notes found throughout the world, which seems like an overdone video game cliché for storytelling, especially for a game that is trying to be an interactive movie.


Level design might be the some of the best I've seen in a game. Computer enemy AI was kinda meh, but I'm sure on a harder difficulty that changes. Shooting mechanics are meh. I like the addition of a dodge and ability to go prone compared to the 1st game—makes you feel a bit stealthier. Several really impressive gameplay sequences such as the truck escape with Ellie and Jessie. I'm sure there's more positives, but from what I can see the general complaints aren't about gameplay, rather the story.


In my opinion, the story felt like a bait and switch—ultimately falling flat.


TLOU was about a man, Joel, dealing with the tragedy of losing his young daughter during a pandemic outbreak. Years later, Joel meets a young girl, Ellie, who is also dealing with tragedy. Once it’s found that Ellie has immunity, the two journey across country to a seemingly friendly survivors, Fireflies, that can harvest a cure. During the journey, Joel and Ellie form a father/daughter relationship going through many trials. Upon arrival to the Firefly base, Joel discovers that in order for the Fireflies to harvest a cure, the procedure will kill Ellie. Without Ellie’s consent, the Fireflies decides to go forth, then Joel intervenes by killing several that stand in his way. The moral dilemma comes in, as Joel lies to Ellie about what happened.


Fans fell in love with these two characters and their relationship. Due to Joel's popularity, I assume most people sided with his actions to save Ellie and looked past his lie.


TLOU2 was promoted as a continuation of Ellie and Joel's story. As far as I can remember, you don’t actually control Joel (or at least very little) and he is killed off in the first two hours. Not necessarily a choice that ruins the story, as long as there’s a reason for it.


However, for almost the entire second half of the game (10 or more hours straight), we play as Abby, the character that murdered Joel. The 10 hours or so tells her side of the story, in what I can only assume is an attempt to get you to like, relate or understand her. Abby’s justification for killing Joel is classic revenge. Essentially, Joel had killed Abby’s father, who was one of the key people who was choosing to kill Ellie in order to potentially harvest a cure without her consent.


So, for half of the game, we are forced to understand a character that brutally murdered Joel in front of Ellie, leaving her emotionally scarred to the point where she is no longer the same character. Again, nothing wrong with this decision on paper.






However, it was poorly executed, as the writers gave Abby no moral ambiguity in regard to her revenge killing. After learning her side of the story, the game very quickly disapproves of the concept of revenge through its final message. We simply didn’t have enough time or moral justification to realistically side with Abby. Pretty big mistake for a character that you are forced to play with for half of the game. And leaves fans frustrated with how beloved characters were treated.


Additionally, the timeline was difficult to follow, as it jumped around a lot. Also, the story explains that Ellie suppressed her memory of Joel telling her what actually happened during the culmination of entire 1st game. Doesn’t seem believable.


Therefore, in my opinion, these are some of the crucial reasons why this story falls flat.



But many games and movies have had poor writing without suffering this much negative fan reaction. From someone who’s both been a gamer most of my life and works in professional communication (and is willing to spend this much time thinking about such a trivial issue), here’s my two cents:



We can’t group every “hater” into a single category. That’s obviously not how life works, so here’s a few notable groups that I contributing to the negative reaction:

· So, it’s likely a small portion of this group are actually homophobic and sexist

· Many (and likely the largest portion) are frustrated with the unjustified story decisions, unjustified treatment of characters, etc.—even if they aren’t able to communicate them specifically.

· Other groups are using the moment to support their own political agenda. Sound familiar?

· Then, there are trolls who have no dog in the fight and are just trying to insight outrage for various reasons. From the wise words of Alfred Pennyworth, “some men want to watch the world burn.” We’ll call them the media. Ha!


Regarding the wide accusations being made by the media that homophobia and sexism are the prime reasons for fans not liking this game

· This seems unlikely, as many past high-selling games have featured women and/or lgbtq characters in prominent roles with little or no public backlash including Naughty Dog’s (TLOU developer) last game—Uncharted: Lost Legacy, among other games like Tomb Raider, Child of Light, Alien: Isolation, Horizon: Zero Dawn, etc. This would make the group of people who are being labeled homophobic/sexist to be conveniently selective with their negative behavior. However, this is not to ignore, that there’s is a small portion who don’t like TLOU2 for genuinely homophobic or sexist reasons.

· Just because someone doesn’t like you, the game you made or opinions, doesn’t make them evil, homophobic or sexist. You could have just a crappy game or shared your opinion like an A-hole. If not the case, I should call the police on every girl that’s ever turned me down. ;)


Regarding Druckmann

· Clearly doesn’t understand or care that he makes games for a politically diverse audience and by mixing inflammatory opinions, whether he’s right or wrong, will cause those with opposing views to fairly and unfairly pick apart his game to prove he’s biased, therefore untrustworthy.

· Additionally, he’s allowing a portion of his audience who have justifiable reasons for not liking the game to be unfairly tarnished by the media without defending them from reputation-harming labels. So, it’s making Druckmann appear as if he is biased to his cause, rather than the people who financially support him. His call, but he was the one who poked the bear.

· At the end of the day, he can share his (and his company’s) opinions through games, but he might want to be careful, as some clearly carry more weight than others and he might just lose customers trying to convince them. Don’t always assume you’re right, even if you are. Forcing an opinion on someone doesn’t work, even if it’s the truth. Parents with teenagers can probably attest to that. And if he does believe his opinion is the truth, why wouldn’t he do his best to help everyone believe? After all, his game tells us that everyone has a dark side.




My Scores:


Story 3/10

Gameplay 6/10

Level Design 10/10

Audio 10/10

Graphics 8/10
 
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