Jamie Pollard letter on falls sports

[Cyclonepride]

That's surprising to me. Is that just a reflection of less interest in college education all-together? Or what is the cause?

I know if I was in college or had a kid in college I would look really hard at community college online for this year with all the uncertainty.

Massive uncertainty is probably bad for all colleges in general. I would guess that many are looking at the question of taking on debt to go to school, and wondering if there's going to be a job waiting at the end of the expenditure (something that was already happening pre-pandemic).

 

[CycloneErik]

That's surprising to me. Is that just a reflection of less interest in college education all-together? Or what is the cause?

I know if I was in college or had a kid in college I would look really hard at community college online for this year with all the uncertainty.

I don't really know. The one thing a leader mentioned in a meeting was some feedback that students wanted to make sure their credits transferred directly if they were online, or that they'd rather just stay put in their 4 year program.
That's actually probably what I would do, too, having had a chance to peek behind the curtain at the community college and university level. I wouldn't want to mess with extra variables.

 

[Clonefan32]

My favorite is the if I do nothing things will go back to normal soon crew.

I'm no more in favor of this group than the one I mentioned. No where have I advocated "do nothing". But I just find the idea that Jamie should just pack the whole thing in and not even try to salvage a season funny. He's doing the best he can in a scenario with no clear answer.

He's also just trying to be transparent by saying "no season, here's what you can expect." I'll take transparency over what we get from U of I any day.

 

[clonedude]

Also:

You go to work and...
You go to the grocery store and...
You go to the gas station and...

You’re right, and those are the only things I’ve done since early March too.

I work from home, get curbside pickup for groceries, and never go inside at the gas station when getting gas.

Meanwhile there will be thousands of others ruining it for everyone else by going inside bars, restaurants, churches, stores, or football games.

Had everyone sucked it up like I have the last 4 months, we’d be like Europe right now and we’d probably be able to have football.

But nope, we’re too stupid, selfish, and spoiled to do that in ‘Murica.

 

[madguy30]

I'm no more in favor of this group than the one I mentioned. No where have I advocated "do nothing". But I just find the idea that Jamie should just pack the whole thing in and not even try to salvage a season funny. He's doing the best he can in a scenario with no clear answer.

He's also just trying to be transparent by saying "no season, here's what you can expect." I'll take transparency over what we get from U of I any day.

Yeah I've got nothing on Jamie in what he's done.

It's the approach pretty much anybody in a leadership role should be doing right now and we've had paramount failures on that end.

 

[madguy30]

You’re right, and those are the only things I’ve done since early March too.

I work from home, get curbside pickup for groceries, and never go inside at the gas station when getting gas.

Meanwhile there will be thousands of others ruining it for everyone else by going inside bars, restaurants, churches, stores, or football games.

Had everyone sucked it up like I have the last 4 months, we’d be like Europe right now and we’d probably be able to have football.

But nope, we’re too stupid, selfish, and spoiled to do that in ‘Murica.

A lot of people were not able to work from home, and many don't have the resources to order grocery delivery or curbside pickup.

Stores are not the same thing as those other things...going into a place for just a few minutes and moving the whole time is very different than being in a place and being stationary for a few hours around other people.

It's why schools reopening should NEVER be compared to Wal-Mart and Home Depot.

 

[Cyclonepride]

A lot of people were not able to work from home, and many don't have the resources to order grocery delivery or curbside pickup.

Stores are not the same thing as those other things...going into a place for just a few minutes and moving the whole time is very different than being in a place and being stationary for a few hours around other people.

It's why schools reopening should NEVER be compared to Wal-Mart and Home Depot.

Our curbside pickup became a disaster. I did that exclusively before the pandemic, and loved it. Now, almost everything I normally buy shows as out of stock, even though I can go into the store and find everything. So I've shopped in-store far more since the pandemic started than I did before.

 

[madguy30]

Our curbside pickup became a disaster. I did that exclusively before the pandemic, and loved it. Now, almost everything I normally buy shows as out of stock, even though I can go into the store and find everything. So I've shopped in-store far more since the pandemic started than I did before.

Yep and if you're smart and take precautions grocery shopping in-store should be fine.

I've been lucky--one place I go has strongly recommended masks the whole time and I'd estimate about 95% of people have worn them. They also have hand sanitizing stations all over.

My other place is Costco and along with a mask mandate there's lots of space including really high ceilings.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Yep and if you're smart and take precautions grocery shopping in-store should be fine.

I've been lucky--one place I go has strongly recommended masks the whole time and I'd estimate about 95% of people have worn them. They also have hand sanitizing stations all over.

My other place is Costco and along with a mask mandate there's lots of space including really high ceilings.

Avoiding close contact with people is kind of my superpower as an introvert. Don't get me wrong, I like people, but my comfort level for personal space has always been a good 3 to 4 feet.

 

[clonedude]

A lot of people were not able to work from home, and many don't have the resources to order grocery delivery or curbside pickup.

Stores are not the same thing as those other things...going into a place for just a few minutes and moving the whole time is very different than being in a place and being stationary for a few hours around other people.

It's why schools reopening should NEVER be compared to Wal-Mart and Home Depot.

I totally understand that, but it has nothing to do with my point. Of course there are things that people HAVE to do in order to survive, but going to football games is not one of them.

Some have said things like “fine, I’ll go to the game and you stay home if you don’t feel safe.”

That is the kind of thought process that has gotten us to where we are today.

 

[scottwv]

ISU Athletics is 1 of about 15-20 ADs across America who run in the Black every year taking zero tax payer $$..

ISU does a great job - no argument. Just pointing out that money can be set aside. With that said - even with a nice "Rainy Day" fund I doubt any athletic department in the country has enough set aside to cover a years + expenses with no income.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I totally understand that, but it has nothing to do with my point. Of course there are things that people HAVE to do in order to survive, but going to football games is not one of them.

Some have said things like “fine, I’ll go to the game and you stay home if you don’t feel safe.”

That is the kind of thought process that has gotten us to where we are today.

Is working something people need to do to survive, because that's the whole point of the balancing act.

 

[madguy30]

Avoiding close contact with people is kind of my superpower as an introvert. Don't get me wrong, I like people, but my comfort level for personal space has always been a good 3 to 4 feet.

My friends used to joke that I have a 'bubble' around me and that's only expanded a bit.

Also if I go fishing or hiking and there's like 2 other people there I normally view that as 'crowded' (which is hypocritical since I'm also part of the problem by being there, haha).

 

[Acylum]

But you go and get the virus and come home and give it to 3 others, who each give it to 3 more, etc.

See how you going can affect those of us who don’t.

Actually I don’t see that since the highest Rt of any state right now is 1.41. If it was ever at 3 at any time we’d be piling bodies in the streets.

 

[ArgentCy]

DMACC would disagree. They're finding that it's extremely difficult to recruit students in this environment.

Because DMACC having trouble finding students reinforces his stance. Schools are going to find they are Far less valuable on-line.

Nevermind, I re-read the entire statement. But I think FarminClone just needs to take it another step. Why pay for Community College online when most of the information is all available for free on-line?

 

[madguy30]

Because DMACC having trouble finding students reinforces his stance. Schools are going to find they are Far less valuable on-line.

Nevermind, I re-read the entire statement. But I think FarminClone just needs to take it another step. Why pay for Community College online when most of the information is all available for free on-line?

I'd assume it's because the way our system works, agree or disagree, telling an employer you looked up a bunch of information on your own without a degree or certification to show for it, won't get you hired or in a position that has the most reliable income.

 

[ArgentCy]

I'd assume it's because the way our system works, agree or disagree, telling an employer you looked up a bunch of information on your own without a degree or certification to show for it, won't get you hired or in a position that has the most reliable income.

In the past... And that is already changing. There are many major employers who don't even require a degree now. It's not hard to test for competency in many areas and those are the ones that will drop the requirements first.

https://www.glassdoor.com/blog/no-degree-required/

I can virtually guarantee that I will not be spending big money on my daughters educations, and they are both under 10 years old.

 

[madguy30]

In the past... And that is already changing. There are many major employers who don't even require a degree now. It's not hard to test for competency in many areas and those are the ones that will drop the requirements first.

https://www.glassdoor.com/blog/no-degree-required/

I can virtually guarantee that I will not be spending big money on my daughters educations, and they are both under 10 years old.

Yep and many of those places have been that way the whole time.

 

[CycloneErik]

I'd assume it's because the way our system works, agree or disagree, telling an employer you looked up a bunch of information on your own without a degree or certification to show for it, won't get you hired or in a position that has the most reliable income.

And let's face it, some posters have shown that self-education isn't often as valuable as education with qualified teachers.

 

[BryceC]

Yes, like I said, he'd be better off for at least having a plan on what they will do if there are no fall and spring sports.

Having various scenarios in disaster planning is not uncommon. If JP is so "innnovative," then the scenario of the "no sports" better be in his plan.

We've just seen the BIG go to conference games only and Stanford cutting 11 sports
and the Ivy League having no fall sports, with the Patriot League about to pull the trigger.

Let's not put our heads in the sand here. Every big business I've worked for or consulted for has a disaster plan with various scenarios. University/College ADepts can do the same.

Did you read the letter? Of course he has a plan. He basically told us what the plan is. Cutting sports, services, and laying people off.