isucy86

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I am a bit surprised the Big10 felt the need to make a decision on August 11 about the safety of playing games starting Sep 26.

Besides the Player Movement and Myocarditis health issue and potential ensuing liability issues, I think $ could be the driver.

There are issues with a spring season from a player safety perspective when considering field conditions and 2021 season practices starting in August.

But I think the number crunchers could make a case that:
An 8 game spring season played March 20-May 15 with 100% of fans in the stands combined with a 8-10 game 2021 season that doesn't start until Oct can generate more money and puts fans in the seats.

Money is important, but for college athletics, the fan revelry is just as important to the college game. And to college towns that rely on visitors spending money on game day.
 

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Yea, a hell of a lot more people will get sick this year than a normal year because COVID-19 is way more dangerous than the diseases we normally deal with. COVID-19 has already tripled the amount of deaths from the flu in a typical year, and we're not even 3/4 of the way through the year. It is not only more deadly than the flu, but also spreads easier.

Should we all just ignore it and live life like normal? Estimates are we would see 2 million dead from COVID in a year if we had zero mitigation efforts. How many people should die from COVID-19 so we can watch college football?

Do you know how bad the code was from the 2 million "estimate. That guy resigned after people got a hold of the code and realized it was a complete joke. The death rate from Covid isn't much worse than many other diseases. Nothing but fear mongering.
 

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There is a lot of focus on P5 right now, but mid-major and below Presidents and AD's have to feel gut punched.

If the NCAA P5 goes with a spring football season, that will likely be conference only. I think that could mean 2021 season is also conference games only.

With Pac12 announcement of only conference basketball games that is really going to wipe out significant revenue streams for mid-major schools for 2 fiscal years.

I will be curious if other P-5 conferences follow the Pac-12 on basketball. I believe a number of their schools only have online learning this fall, so that makes having ONLY athletes on campus problematic.
 

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Do you know how bad the code was from the 2 million "estimate. That guy resigned after people got a hold of the code and realized it was a complete joke. The death rate from Covid isn't much worse than many other diseases. Nothing but fear mongering.

I literally told you the death numbers in that post. The flu and pneumonia are the #1 infectious disease killer for most years, and that is typically 30-60,000 people a year. We already have 160,000 deaths from COVID-19. How is it fear mongering when we have an extra 100,000 people dead? And guess what, that number is an undercount of actual COVID-19 deaths.
 

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Do you know how bad the code was from the 2 million "estimate. That guy resigned after people got a hold of the code and realized it was a complete joke. The death rate from Covid isn't much worse than many other diseases. Nothing but fear mongering.

@isufbcurt I’m pretty sure this was already in the list but if not, pleases add “computer programming and coding expert” to Argent’s long list of skills.
 

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JMO but playing in the spring is dumb. Play in the fall or cancel and give everyone an extra year of eligibility.

Funding this will be an issue, and there would need to be multiple changes to NCAA rules like scholarship limits, travel roster size, etc.

Even a one year change can have a ripple effect for years.
 

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Might as well head to the cryogenic chamber and ask to be frozen until there are no longer any hazards to humans on earth... sheesh.

Nobody will take on the liability risk this spring is what I'm pointing out. An effective vaccine will be the turning point assuming we get one. The risk pool will not be smaller in the spring vs the fall.
 
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If you're expecting them to stay in this controlled environment for the semester just drop the facade of them being student athletes. They can pull it off during the summer, but once classes start, there will be no isolation possible.
So why are we bringing any kids back to campus?
 
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I literally told you the death numbers in that post. The flu and pneumonia are the #1 infectious disease killer for most years, and that is typically 30-60,000 people a year. We already have 160,000 deaths from COVID-19. How is it fear mongering when we have an extra 100,000 people dead? And guess what, that number is an undercount of actual COVID-19 deaths.

How many died from H1N1? How many people have died from pneumonia this year versus other previous years? Yes, we have seen slightly more deaths. Life happens but we've never, ever shut down before, and there have been a LOT worse diseases come and go.
 

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I just am not convinced that football will be this superspreader thing. If we are pulling the plug on football then I think you have to on in person classes too.

Yes, its intellectually dishonest to say kids can be in dorms, bars, class, apartments, but they can't play sports.
 

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How many died from H1N1? How many people have died from pneumonia this year versus other previous years? Yes, we have seen slightly more deaths. Life happens but we've never, ever shut down before, and there have been a LOT worse diseases come and go.
In the US? Just over 12,000 in the span of a year. Between 150,000 and 575,000 worldwide in a year. I would say 160,000 in 5 months is more than just "slightly more".
 

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Even if football was played, due to basketball being indoors the odds of having fans at basketball was infinitesimal all along.

My bet is basketball will run a condensed no fans season starting in January

Yep...and i'm sure as we hear more the reasoning (hearing about potential impact of virus on hearts, etc),hard to "green light" any competitive situations unless universal "bubble" scenarios could happen.

I do appreciate leaders in these situations having to balance the fine line between optimism (planning) vs shutting stuff down early..as both have real consequences.
 

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THEN CANCEL ALL IN PERSON CLASSES IF ITS THAT BAD. But we won't see that. Some of these guys are chasing their dream of being pro athletes.

remind me how much heavy breathing and one-on-one physical matchups there are in a classroom?

also, you should probably note that a sizeable percentage DO support going online-only to start the year, especially for younger students. it's almost like you haven't been paying attention...
 
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How many died from H1N1? How many people have died from pneumonia this year versus other previous years? Yes, we have seen slightly more deaths. Life happens but we've never, ever shut down before, and there have been a LOT worse diseases come and go.

H1N1 2009, CDC estimate, April 2009-April 2010: 12,469 deaths in the US (range of estimate: 8,800-18,300) from ~274,000 hospitalizations

So yeah, same exact thing compared to the last 6 months of COVID.....
 

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Yes, its intellectually dishonest to say kids can be in dorms, bars, class, apartments, but they can't play sports.

No, you're being intellectually dishonest. This is dumb. We can assess risk and each activity cumulatively adds it. We can also weigh against where an activity falls on the essentiality scale.

No one is encouraging bars. Regardless that isnt the decision of the school. I would welcome those being closed, but talk to Kim Reynolds about that.
Class is being heavily modified and most are moving online. The remainder will likely involve a significant amount of distancing. Much different than close, full contact situations you see in sports. We can also easily say that class ranks much farther on the scale towards essential than playing a game.
Apartments\Dorms- kids have to live somewhere, so this is a net zero effect. Theyre not going to be at more risk here than at home.
 

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What if.....somehow...the big 12 is the only conference running...and we win the title (even if you throw in a couple forfeits etc).....then we default win national title...hang the banner! LOL

AND, have numerous All-Americans, Heisman trophy, Doak Walker Award, etc...it'll be awesome.....
 

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