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I don't think the "occupied" means anything at this point other than they are seats that "will be occupied" when they make the seating reassignments. I think they have just gone through the stadium and found a way to spread out 25,000 people.
That would make sense if the spacing was regular. However, in our section, there are more densely packed irregular groupings down low that thin out toward the top of the section. Things might be different in different $$$ sections. We're in W, upper deck, center field.
 

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They need to assign seats though. Otherwise they will be packed in the front rows just like they are for every other season.
They aren't showing the student sections in that seating chart posted upthread. Not sure if they'll remain in those sections, but I expect they will be "seated" instead of racing to the front.
 

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While I’m sure there are a lot of happy Cyclone fans, I question the decision - especially given the rampant spread in Ames right now.

I look at everything as risk/reward.

If you have fans, you increase the chances that one or more games become super-spreading events, and or just greatly increase infection rates/spread. The more spread there is in Ames, Story County, and Iowa, the greater the chances of things being locked down or closed down. Your risk is very high (shutting off the main revenue driver of TV cash) and your reward is for attendance revenue (already minimal given concession shutdown and reduced attendance).

If you don’t have fans, you take away one big, possibly super-spreading event and help keep community levels down some. It doesn’t remove any spread, but doesn’t dramatically add to it. While it wouldn’t guarantee anything, it has to somewhat decrease the chances of Ames/ISU being a focal point with calls to shut it down.

I guess I would take the safer bet of having the games without fans rather than roll the dice with 25,000 fans coming in/out of town when things are already at a new peak in town. Notre Dame is limiting to 15K in an 80K stadium which seems like a much better “let there be fans” option.
 

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While I’m sure there are a lot of happy Cyclone fans, I question the decision - especially given the rampant spread in Ames right now.

I look at everything as risk/reward.

If you have fans, you increase the chances that one or more games become super-spreading events, and or just greatly increase infection rates/spread. The more spread there is in Ames, Story County, and Iowa, the greater the chances of things being locked down or closed down. Your risk is very high (shutting off the main revenue driver of TV cash) and your reward is for attendance revenue (already minimal given concession shutdown and reduced attendance).

If you don’t have fans, you take away one big, possibly super-spreading event and help keep community levels down some. It doesn’t remove any spread, but doesn’t dramatically add to it. While it wouldn’t guarantee anything, it has to somewhat decrease the chances of Ames/ISU being a focal point with calls to shut it down.

I guess I would take the safer bet of having the games without fans rather than roll the dice with 25,000 fans coming in/out of town when things are already at a new peak in town. Notre Dame is limiting to 15K in an 80K stadium which seems like a much better “let there be fans” option.
As long as the football team remains fairly COVID free, the season and tv money are not at risk. As for fans in the stands, the risk vs reward is very questionable as you mentioned. They should tape off the bottom part of the lower deck, 10-15 rows, to help protect the teams ( sorry but they are the most important group in the stadium). If ISU (or any other Big 12 team) has to call the season they put the entire conference at risk of cancelling. A lot more than just ISU fans at football games is riding on how this goes. Hope everyone going realizes that. Be safe Cyclone Nation.
 

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And also the louder you are being and more yelling you are doing the greater distance viral particles are expelled. In a game environment that would increase the distance beyond 6 ft. 6 ft is just a guideline for when doing normal business and having conversations at room levels
Isn’t that what the mask requirement is for? Honestly, I don’t get why the “OMG we all need to wear masks and we’d be over this in two weeks “ crowd and the “OMG we can’t have large gatherings even with masks required “ crowd is such a large subset.
 

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Isn’t that what the mask requirement is for? Honestly, I don’t get why the “OMG we all need to wear masks and we’d be over this in two weeks “ crowd and the “OMG we can’t have large gatherings even with masks required “ crowd is such a large subset.

Firstly, masks just reduce risk. They don't eliminate it, and you still have to employ things like distancing and avoiding high risk activities (like large crowds). If everyone did all those things, then yes, the virus would get knocked down significantly.

Secondly, the venn diagram between the people who will be in attendance at this game and those who cannot or will not wear a mask properly is practically a circle.
 

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So the 5k students at the game will be akin the the cyclone alley committee students who line up hours before Hilton opens... that will really help the home field atmosphere ;)
 

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I'm not against having fans in the stand, but I keep imagining a dumbass scenario where we beat someone like Oklahoma on a last second play, and students rush the field. I'm sure they'll have some sort of barrier to prevent something like that though.
 
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I'm really surprised about this decision. Thought it would 15K per game and ticket holders get 3 games.
Since all season ticket holders can go, I'm surprise they didn't have zero fans first game then fans at the conference games. Would give things times to cool off virus wise.
Either way, Sept 12 is a warm up for Oklahoma. If we want to be able to support our team we better follow the rules.
 
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Firstly, masks just reduce risk. They don't eliminate it, and you still have to employ things like distancing and avoiding high risk activities (like large crowds). If everyone did all those things, then yes, the virus would get knocked down significantly.

Secondly, the venn diagram between the people who will be in attendance at this game and those who cannot or will not wear a mask properly is practically a circle.
I don’t think you grasp what a Venn Diagram is exactly.
 

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JP's twitter thumbs have got to be twitching with excitement. Just think of how many accounts, haters and supporters alike, are about to get an infamous Pollard Block between today and September 12th.
 

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JP's twitter thumbs have got to be twitching with excitement. Just think of how many accounts, haters and supporters alike, are about to get an infamous Pollard Block between today and September 12th.
Most of them will likely be Hok trolls (those who haven’t yet been blocked) tweeting at him out of jealousy because we’re playing and they’re not.
 
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While I’m sure there are a lot of happy Cyclone fans, I question the decision - especially given the rampant spread in Ames right now.

I look at everything as risk/reward.

If you have fans, you increase the chances that one or more games become super-spreading events, and or just greatly increase infection rates/spread. The more spread there is in Ames, Story County, and Iowa, the greater the chances of things being locked down or closed down. Your risk is very high (shutting off the main revenue driver of TV cash) and your reward is for attendance revenue (already minimal given concession shutdown and reduced attendance).

If you don’t have fans, you take away one big, possibly super-spreading event and help keep community levels down some. It doesn’t remove any spread, but doesn’t dramatically add to it. While it wouldn’t guarantee anything, it has to somewhat decrease the chances of Ames/ISU being a focal point with calls to shut it down.

I guess I would take the safer bet of having the games without fans rather than roll the dice with 25,000 fans coming in/out of town when things are already at a new peak in town. Notre Dame is limiting to 15K in an 80K stadium which seems like a much better “let there be fans” option.
Agreed. Plus if things go badly and a super spreader is the result, ISU is going to get a black eye. They'll get torched for doing this while cases were spiking.

It's double the risk from a PR stand point.

Be smart. ISU's reputation is on the line here.
 
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Sunday's White House report also said social gathering should be limited to fewer than 10 in all "red zones." Those include 28 counties, including Polk, Johnson and Story. On Monday, Iowa State University announced it plans to allow 25,000 fans into its Sept. 12 football game despite such recommendations.
 

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The discussion was about the NYT article and how Wintersteen wanted to fight it. Which is dumb, because it was correct. And the spike happened directly two weeks after 801 day. I was addressing your response that the article was invalid because Wintersteen said so.

And you said the ISU number was 906. Where did you get that number for ISU students because Wintersteen showed 633 for the 14 days?