Jake Sullivan on M&M show

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Seriously, none of you think it's a bad thing that a stand out at our University while he played here, is out there toting other schools as the place to be? By that mentality, you are saying that anyone that Mac Recruits that is a top rated recruit, is doing a bad thing by telling the kid ISU is the best place for him. I'm not saying Jake is doing a bad thing, nor am I saying he has to stand up for ISU. It's his life and he has to make his way. I'm just saying I don't like it and I don't see why I should. I really don't know the ins and outs of what Jake sullivan does, but it sounds to me like he's figured out a way to be an agent to high school kids. Sounds to me that if he can put "his kid" in a top tier program it works out better for him than sending them to ISU.

I'm sorry, I don't like it. Anyone we are recruiting and really want to come here, shouldn't be told by one of our alumni that another school is better for them.



Agree with you.

AAU coaches for the most part are a pox.
 

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My honest opinion is that HB has been a stealth ISU commit for a while now. He's just enjoying the fruits of the recruiting process now.
 

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Seriously, none of you think it's a bad thing that a stand out at our University while he played here, is out there toting other schools as the place to be? By that mentality, you are saying that anyone that Mac Recruits that is a top rated recruit, is doing a bad thing by telling the kid ISU is the best place for him. I'm not saying Jake is doing a bad thing, nor am I saying he has to stand up for ISU. It's his life and he has to make his way. I'm just saying I don't like it and I don't see why I should. I really don't know the ins and outs of what Jake sullivan does, but it sounds to me like he's figured out a way to be an agent to high school kids. Sounds to me that if he can put "his kid" in a top tier program it works out better for him than sending them to ISU.

I'm sorry, I don't like it. Anyone we are recruiting and really want to come here, shouldn't be told by one of our alumni that another school is better for them.

Exactly what I have been saying! Jake is in a very influential position, and nobody can argue that. Ames has a very good AAU program in the All Iowa Attack. There will undoubtedly be worthy players coming out of this program in the future, and ISU has a great advantage with this program being right in its backyard. However, if one of the main coaches of this AAU program, an ISU alum and former player, is not showing support and confidence in ISU's program, it is going to hurt ISU in getting these players.
 

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I do not believe there is any tiff between Jake and McD. Jake has made it clear however, from his own mouth, that he is not a big fan of the style of basketball Coach McD runs. Of course any AAU coach is not going to be a fan of McD's style. Offense prevails in AAU, and offense only. I do not think this can even be argued. I think this is the root of the so called "issue" between the two. Jake cares about offense as that is what gets kids recruited, and lets be honest, the current ISU b-ball offense is not very flattering. (Of course an offense is only as good as the guys running it)

Just throwing this out there. Can McD change his slow style to more run and gun if he has better players? Can he recruit saying if you come my way we can adjust? How many thought a month a go Gene would downgrade his two buddies to secondary roles? Things can and do change.
 

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Jake has seriously put himself in position to get killed by ISU faithfull if Harrison choses someone else.
 

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Lets look at this from a different perspective. Lets say it is Jess Settles is running a program in Eastern Iowa and has one of his players come to him who is a top tier player and wants his advice about college recruiting, his experiences in college and what he would look for in a school? Would it be bad of him to tell the kid the honest truth and explain to him the difference in playing at Iowa vs Duke or UNC?

Jake isn't an Agent. He's not getting any money from UNC or Duke to work their camps or to get HB to sign with them. I know Jake and he has the highest moral standards, he is trying to do what is best for Harrison Barnes because he is a child and has trusted Jake to coach him and if he has asked or does ask for his help in the future he will give him an honest opinion.

Remember Harrison Barnes is a child, plain and simple. He may need assistance from his family and the people he trusts in his life and for them to give him anything other then an honest opinion would be a diservice to him.
 
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Just throwing this out there. Can McD change his slow style to more run and gun if he has better players? Can he recruit saying if you come my way we can adjust? How many thought a month a go Gene would downgrade his two buddies to secondary roles? Things can and do change.

He can, it's always a possibility but he has never shown that kind of offense.

I would say RC and Jiri were better suited for that kind of offense. Wes Johnson and Mike Taylor as well but that isn't the direction he headed.
 

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I would say RC and Jiri were better suited for that kind of offense. Wes Johnson and Mike Taylor as well but that isn't the direction he headed.
That might be true of those four players, but you can't go that direction with only four players. Five, if you count CB--and Taylor had disappeared by then.

Chris Colvin is that direction. :yes:
 

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Lets look at this from a different perspective. Lets say it is Jess Settles is running a program in Eastern Iowa and has one of his players come to him who is a top tier player and wants his advice about college recruiting, his experiences in college and what he would look for in a school? Would it be bad of him to tell the kid the honest truth and explain to him the difference in playing at Iowa vs Duke or UNC?

Jake isn't an Agent. He's not getting any money from UNC or Duke to work their camps or to get HB to sign with them. I know Jake and he has the highest moral standards, he is trying to do what is best for Harrison Barnes because he is a child and has trusted Jake to coach him and if he has asked or does ask for his help in the future he will give him an honest opinion.

Remember Harrison Barnes is a child, plain and simple. He may need assistance from his family and the people he trusts in his life and for them to give him anything other then an honest opinion would be a diservice to him.

It wouldn't be bad at all. I may not like it. The problem I have is that he is going on the radio, discussing it. That I have a problem with. And I'm sorry. He may not literally be an agent, but, if his kids go to Duke, NC, name your program, it gives him better name recognition. I'm not trying to say he's underhanded or intentionally trying to undermine the prospects for ISU, but I still don't have to like it. I'm sorry, but it looks really bad when a former player tells you to go somewhere else. As I said before, does that mean that GMac is lying to HB by telling him that ISU is whre he should be? The think is, GMac doesn't go on the radio and talk about it.

(I didn't hear the interview. I live in Illinois and know little of Jake Sullivan since he left ISU. If I am wrong about what he talked about in his interview, I apologize.)
 

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The way I see it is Ames has a good, maybe great AAU program. This should work in ISU's favor, and they should be getting first dibs since ISU has a MAJOR recruiting advantage on these players. However; the AAU players look to their coach for advice, and ISU's advantage starts to dwindle. Funny thing is, the coach they look to is a former ISU player.
 

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It wouldn't be bad at all. I may not like it. The problem I have is that he is going on the radio, discussing it. That I have a problem with. And I'm sorry. He may not literally be an agent, but, if his kids go to Duke, NC, name your program, it gives him better name recognition. I'm not trying to say he's underhanded or intentionally trying to undermine the prospects for ISU, but I still don't have to like it. I'm sorry, but it looks really bad when a former player tells you to go somewhere else. As I said before, does that mean that GMac is lying to HB by telling him that ISU is whre he should be? The think is, GMac doesn't go on the radio and talk about it.

(I didn't hear the interview. I live in Illinois and know little of Jake Sullivan since he left ISU. If I am wrong about what he talked about in his interview, I apologize.)

Cyclone fans probably won't like it but the fact of the matter is Iowa States current offense isn't the best use of Harrison Barnes Abilities and the on the court product isn't the greatest selling point for a top 5 prospect.

Because Jake disagrees with GMac, that doesn't mean Mac is lying. People are allowed to have different opinions on things. Now if Mac was able to go on the radio and talk about this and about recruits I guarantee he would be on there doing just that. But the NCAA won't let him. Jakes entitled to his opinion, a radio announcer asked it because he knew it would get people to listen, Jake gave it.
 

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Cyclone fans probably won't like it but the fact of the matter is Iowa States current offense isn't the best use of Harrison Barnes Abilities and the on the court product isn't the greatest selling point for a top 5 prospect.

Because Jake disagrees with GMac, that doesn't mean Mac is lying. People are allowed to have different opinions on things. Now if Mac was able to go on the radio and talk about this and about recruits I guarantee he would be on there doing just that. But the NCAA won't let him. Jakes entitled to his opinion, a radio announcer asked it because he knew it would get people to listen, Jake gave it.


people don't really care about opinions. As soon as HB signs with Duke or NC......Jake will be the most hated Cyclone Alum ever.

Fair? no....but it will happen.

Jake should have become an attorney like he talked about while in school/or became an AAU coach somewhere else.
 

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people don't really care about opinions. As soon as HB signs with Duke or NC......Jake will be the most hated Cyclone Alum ever.

Fair? no....but it will happen.

Jake should have become an attorney like he talked about while in school/or became an AAU coach somewhere else.

As a Cyclone fan I would not want to alienate Jake Sullivan. He has a pretty good AAU program going right now in our back yard. Maybe he doesn't think Harrison is right for Iowa State but he has alot of other talented players that maybe and if you burn that bridge we will be having this discussion alot in the future.
 

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Seriously, none of you think it's a bad thing that a stand out at our University while he played here, is out there toting other schools as the place to be? By that mentality, you are saying that anyone that Mac Recruits that is a top rated recruit, is doing a bad thing by telling the kid ISU is the best place for him. I'm not saying Jake is doing a bad thing, nor am I saying he has to stand up for ISU. It's his life and he has to make his way. I'm just saying I don't like it and I don't see why I should. I really don't know the ins and outs of what Jake sullivan does, but it sounds to me like he's figured out a way to be an agent to high school kids. Sounds to me that if he can put "his kid" in a top tier program it works out better for him than sending them to ISU.

I'm sorry, I don't like it. Anyone we are recruiting and really want to come here, shouldn't be told by one of our alumni that another school is better for them.

JS is not trying to "put" HB anywhere. I think that people are confusing Harrison's situation with one of a Michael Beasley type who was insistant that he bring his "handler" along with him. JS is not trying to get on a bench as an "Director of Recruitment Operations" or any of that Billy Gillespie/Bob Huggins crap. He is a coach, and part of his duties is helping any of his 10-15 players on his team decide what school is best for them, if they want his help. He will give HB his opinion if HB wants it the same way he will help a different kid on his team decide between Iowa Central and Indian Hills. I haven't done extensive research on this, but I have yet to see where any interviews with HB where he says "When it comes down to it, Coach Sullivan and I will sit down and decide what is best for our future."

Also, I wonder too how Sullivan could even help HB. I don't know this as a fact, but I imagine JS only got offers from a few Big 12/Big 10 schools and some mid-majors. He has not been a part of a recruitment effort like the one thrown at HB, and is learning about it just as much as HB is.

End of story is when this kid commits (in a year) ISU's relationship with JS will play no role in his decision. JS only job, and it seems to me like he realizes this, is to do what is asked of him by HB and HB's family.
 
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JS is not trying to "put" HB anywhere. I think that people are confusing Harrison's situation with one of a Michael Beasley type who was instant that he bring his "handler" along with him. JS is not trying to get on a bench as an "Director of Recruitment Operations" or any of that Billy Gillespie/Bob Huggins crap. He is a coach, and part of his duties is helping any of his 10-15 players on his team decide what school is best for them, if they want his help. He will give HB his opinion if HB wants it the same way he will help a different kid on his team decide between Iowa Central and Indian Hills. I haven't done extensive research on this, but I have yet to see where any interviews with HB where he says "When it comes down to it, Coach Sullivan and I will sit down and decide what is best for our future."

Also, I wonder too how Sullivan could even help HB. I don't know this as a fact, but I imagine JS only got offers from a few Big 12/Big 10 schools and some mid-majors. He has not been a part of a recruitment effort like the one thrown at HB, and is learning about it just as much as HB is.

End of story is when this kid commits (in a year) ISU's relationship with JS will play no role in his decision. JS only job, and it seems to me like he realizes this, is to do what is asked of him by HB and HB's family.

Finally someone gets it. Pos rep for you.
 

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JS is not trying to "put" HB anywhere. I think that people are confusing Harrison's situation with one of a Michael Beasley type who was insistant that he bring his "handler" along with him. JS is not trying to get on a bench as an "Director of Recruitment Operations" or any of that Billy Gillespie/Bob Huggins crap. He is a coach, and part of his duties is helping any of his 10-15 players on his team decide what school is best for them, if they want his help. He will give HB his opinion if HB wants it the same way he will help a different kid on his team decide between Iowa Central and Indian Hills. I haven't done extensive research on this, but I have yet to see where any interviews with HB where he says "When it comes down to it, Coach Sullivan and I will sit down and decide what is best for our future."

Also, I wonder too how Sullivan could even help HB. I don't know this as a fact, but I imagine JS only got offers from a few Big 12/Big 10 schools and some mid-majors. He has not been a part of a recruitment effort like the one thrown at HB, and is learning about it just as much as HB is.

End of story is when this kid commits (in a year) ISU's relationship with JS will play no role in his decision. JS only job, and it seems to me like he realizes this, is to do what is asked of him by HB and HB's family.

Then why did Jake tag along with Barnes on his recruiting visit to Florida?
 

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I dont think it is as much doing what is best for HB financially, I think JS is obligated to do what is best for Harrison and his family because he is paid to be his coach and mentor. These AAU circuit teams are expensive, and for someone with a profile like Harrison JS is being paid to be not only a coach, but almost to act like an agent. Harrison will make some serious jack in the pros no matter what...and I don't think that was ever in question.

If HB Does Duke, Dickie V will be rattling superlatives about another Dandy Dan.
 

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JS is not trying to "put" HB anywhere. I think that people are confusing Harrison's situation with one of a Michael Beasley type who was insistant that he bring his "handler" along with him. JS is not trying to get on a bench as an "Director of Recruitment Operations" or any of that Billy Gillespie/Bob Huggins crap. He is a coach, and part of his duties is helping any of his 10-15 players on his team decide what school is best for them, if they want his help. He will give HB his opinion if HB wants it the same way he will help a different kid on his team decide between Iowa Central and Indian Hills. I haven't done extensive research on this, but I have yet to see where any interviews with HB where he says "When it comes down to it, Coach Sullivan and I will sit down and decide what is best for our future."

Also, I wonder too how Sullivan could even help HB. I don't know this as a fact, but I imagine JS only got offers from a few Big 12/Big 10 schools and some mid-majors. He has not been a part of a recruitment effort like the one thrown at HB, and is learning about it just as much as HB is.

End of story is when this kid commits (in a year) ISU's relationship with JS will play no role in his decision. JS only job, and it seems to me like he realizes this, is to do what is asked of him by HB and HB's family.

Jake was present at most of the open gyms this fall when Harrison was playing...chatting up the coaches (K, Self, Donovan, etc.) who were there. HB gives most or all of the credit concerning his development to Jake. You have to be kidding if you think HB and his mom won't put a lot of stock into Jake's opinion of his future college choice...
 

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Jake was present at most of the open gyms this fall when Harrison was playing...chatting up the coaches (K, Self, Donovan, etc.) who were there. HB gives most or all of the credit concerning his development to Jake. You have to be kidding if you think HB and his mom won't put a lot of stock into Jake's opinion of his future college choice...

Jake, an AAU coach was taking the opportunity to speak with some of the greatest coaches in the game? About his player? How dare he!

So what if HB and his family ask Jake for his opinion and he gives an honest opinion that is not Iowa State. Would you want him to lie to the kid because of the school Jake graduated from? Who would that serve in the long run?