Anyone else hearing that JP has already decided Prohm is coming back?
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Exactly - and you’re looking at losing significant ticket revenue for each year a change isn’t made.
3k tickets x $40 x 20 games = $2.4M. Even if you say attendance will be down next year no matter what, the longer we go without a change, the greater the chance of that extending into future years.
This is pretty much where I am as well. And I'll still defend him for his positive accomplishments as well as against the absurd criticisms of him that are based on who he is not from the posters who decided to have it in for him on Day One, but man this season has just been one long, really depressing slog, and that's even with all of the cancellations and postponements.
If nothing else we need a change so that we can have some new, positive energy around the program.
Has there ever been a coach after year 6 that goes 0 for the conference season, and only wins 2 to 3 games overall been brought back to coach at the same school the next year? Hell, many HS bb coaches would be canned after last year and this year's records.
There is just no way that Prohm can be coaching next year at ISU, just none. If he is, than Pollard is setting the program up for failure, because we are not going to be night and different next year record wise.
Time for a change to be made.
There is just no way that Prohm can be coaching next year at ISU, just none. If he is, than Pollard is setting the program up for failure, because we are not going to be night and different next year record wise.
Time for a change to be made.
plus if the new coach is not a home run hire you might multiply by 2 or 3 seasons until the new coach starts winning.
I don't think anyone disagrees on this now.
I've tongue-in-cheek referred to myself a few times now as one of the founding members of the PDC (Prohm Defenders Club), and in some certain contexts I'll still defend him, but regardless of recruiting misses, or on the positive side of that recruiting future lottery picks like TH, injuries, Covid, bad luck, etc., this program has no excuse for being as bad as we currently are right now.
Allow me to play Devil’s advocate for a second. Here’s why I don’t think he will be fired this year (I think he should be but don’t think he will be).
Our athletic department took a hit this year with Covid (obviously). Pollard just gave Campbell and Co. raises of at least $3M (adding to the deficit lost by Covid) and I don’t think financially we could afford to fire Prohm, pay for his buyout (unless big time donors step up) and hire a new coach worth a hoot. So I think pollard sill chalk up this season as an anomaly (Covid aside this team was still going to suck) and he’s going to give Prohm at least one more year..if he sucks like this next year I wouldn’t be surprised if pollard cuts ties in the middle of the season. I think by giving Prohm one more year, football will bring in however many millions for the athletic department lessening the financial blow if/when pollard decides to fire Prohm.
Also, I think Jamie knows if he fires Prohm at the end of this season, we risk the chance of losing Hunter, Nunn (both who I think are absolute DOGS!), and risking losing guys transfer, like XF who could very well be coming off an injury looking for a fresh start and would be able to with a coaching change.
Late to the party, but I was told that the wheels were already in motion from a good source.
There is a 90% chance CSP is fired this year. I say 90% only because it isnt impossible he is retained, but it is highly highly HIGHLY unlikely.
The financial challenge- there will be some level of donor chip in, JP will finance the rest. He is already financing 20M shortfall due to covid, another 2M on top is not a big deal.
Meanwhile we go round and round and drive traffic for CW lol
The financial challenge- there will be some level of donor chip in, JP will finance the rest. He is already financing 20M shortfall due to covid, another 2M on top is not a big deal.
Meanwhile we go round and round and drive traffic for CW lol
If we would have won 5-7 games in conference play and didn’t look like one of the worst coached P6 teams this year, I might agree with you. But we have regressed. Badly. And Hunter and Dunn aren’t turning this team into a middle of the pack Big 12 team.
You watch this team. We aren’t even close. Schemes, game planning, rotations, accountability are all gone. Those things can’t be fixed with 2 new players.
It’s time to blow it all up and whoever transfers, so be it. Otherwise we are going to be having this exact same conversation in a year. It’s sucks but it is what it is right now.
I agree and while he has been very “meh” at UNLV, I’d be okay with TJ coming in. I think if Prohm does get fired, TJ brings a familiarity to ISU, we could probably get him for cheaper than other coaches who would be on our list, he has the Milwaukee connection so I think we would retain Hunter, he’s worked with a big man with a somewhat similar skill set to XF, plus, I’d be okay if he were to bring Arthur Kaluma with him to ISU (current UNLV commit and teammates with Nunn).
with that being said, I still don’t think this is the year Prohm is fired, even if we go 0-fer this year.
This pretty much tells the story.
Exactly, people who will be mad if Foster transfers and Hunter goes elsewhere, also want to fire the coach two years ago.
They didn’t come to Iowa State because they wanted to experience Ames water. They came to Iowa State because as Foster out it, the staff puts guys in the league. And the kids committed to this staff, it’s not a real stretch to think they aren’t feeling all warm and fuzzy about their time in Ames
it doesn’t matter who the coach will be, it’s going to be a completely new roster.
Yep that's why I compared this O to Greg's.
Greg's offense this year and for the most part at Creighton has been effective.
I hope Steve is able to redeem his career like Greg did somewhere else because they are both two good guys but just bad coaches/fits at ISU.
And those people two years ago were right. Obviously, we weren’t firing a coach that had Prohm’s level of success but you could see the writing on the wall that Prohm wasn’t some star coach. I wouldn’t have guessed it would end like this but it was obvious after Year 1 that Prohm didn’t have “it”. That’s not a knock on him personally as there aren’t many guys like that out there. But it was pretty clear after 1-2 years Matt Campbell had “it”. Fred Hoiberg here too. Guys like Chris Beard and others as well. That’s what we ultimately want. Not easy to find.
TJ is the fallback for the fallback choice, you only offer him the job if you have been turned down by others. The Homerun hire is Thad Motta, still young only 53 and one would think he has to be getting the itch to return to a program with a record of success and less pressure than OSU. If Motto says "no, happy in retirement" we need to give the shot to someone, that has success at the lower levels for a number of years at multiple schools. Someone like the former Wisconsin coach, a system coach that can find talent and get them to accept their role in the team, would much rather go that route then someone like the Drake coach.
If you cannot find that guy, then and only then do you offer TJ the job, and hope he that what has been going on at UNLV the past couple of years is something else than recruiting or coaching.
He actually said Iowa State has a track record of success and putting players in the NBA. He didn’t say “this coaching staff”.
10 wins might be overachieving next season without massive changes to the roster.
