Priorities for the new ISU mens basketball coach?

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Everyone needs to keep in mind what high major kids have been doing their entire lives. You can try to find the right guys to play a slow down offense, defensive style but it’s not easy in this day and age.
 

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Repeating and no idea what it looks like at other places but a main theme I took from that is it sounds like at the actual physical phase of practice there's a lot of lengthy explaining without much room to learn and do.

A lot of practices during the season are devoted to scouting and walking through your gameplan. But it sounds like he was teaching a lot of concepts on the fly without teaching the building blocks first. As a poster just mentioned, how do you ask your guys "Why can't we rebound?". I understand it's mostly rhetorical, but from what we've watched, it's because they don't practice it/aren't taught basic fundamentals. That's a much bigger problem than figuring out how you're going to defend Fort Wayne's 3-point shooters in 24 hours.
 
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A lot of practices during the season are devoted to scouting and walking through your gameplan. But it sounds like he was teaching a lot of concepts on the fly without teaching the building blocks first. As a poster just mentioned, how do you ask your guys "Why can't we rebound?". I understand it's mostly rhetorical, but from what we've watched, it's because they don't practice it/aren't taught basic fundamentals. That's a much bigger problem than figuring out how you're going to defend Fort Wayne's 3-point shooters in 24 hours.

The 18-19 season was when TCU kept running the pick and roll over and over again iirc and as you say, with a foundation set, the response/teaching to that should include a very simple explanation or concept call out to adjust.
 

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I hope we get someone who took over a bad situation and made them a good team. Someone who took over an already established mid major will likely be a Prohm 2.0.
 

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JUCOs have fallen off big time. Schools get kids eligible now if they’re good enough.
More than when Hogue, McKay, and Jackson were in iowa jucos?
Admission loop holes haven’t changed as much since then as the ability of our staff to recruit jucos has. A little different than the going steady style dating this staff prefers.
 

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I would like to have an identity Day 1. It's bs that the past few years, a Cyclone identity didn't show up until late January, Feb, or even March. We should know who we are from the first day of practice.

...and what everyone else said.
 
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I would say it’s fallen off a lot in the past 5 years.

IHCC has fallen off a little because of the coaching change, but they’ve still sent multiple guys to HMs, and even guys like Patton at Cleveland St that would help a lot of HM teams.

Juco recruiting has always largely been about the eye of the recruiter and finding pieces, not necessarily ubiquitous talent
 

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IHCC has fallen off a little because of the coaching change, but they’ve still sent multiple guys to HMs, and even guys like Patton at Cleveland St that would help a lot of HM teams.

Juco recruiting has always largely been about the eye of the recruiter and finding pieces, not necessarily ubiquitous talent

I think ISU is a program that should always be looking at the JUCO ranks but it seems like coaches have shifted to getting HS kids in to the program and not using those scholarships up. Also the transfer market has changed the JUCO “game”. Why take a JUCO when you can get a guy with D1 experience. It’s almost like mid and low major transfer recruiting has become the new JUCO recruiting.
 
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Regardless of who it is, we have to get back to:

  1. Top 100 level recruits that stay for at least 3 years
  2. Get the top JUCO players each year
  3. A culture first person similar to Matt C
 
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I think ISU is a program that should always be looking at the JUCO ranks but it seems like coaches have shifted to getting HS kids in to the program and not using those scholarships up. Also the transfer market has changed the JUCO “game”. Why take a JUCO when you can get a guy with D1 experience. It’s almost like mid and low major transfer recruiting has become the new JUCO recruiting.
Many of the better jucos are increasingly transfers from D1.
 

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Regardless of who it is, we have to get back to:

  1. Top 100 level recruits that stay for at least 3 years
  2. Get the top JUCO players each year
  3. A culture first person similar to Matt C

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This article has always stuck out in my mind. Specifically when Prohm says, "Switches could be good. Staggers could be good." And then the description of practice should've set off a series of alarms. He's not a bright basketball mind, he doesn't have confidence in his coaching, and he's not a leader. His teams have no focus and no discipline, and it's all right there in the article.

We need someone that the players respect, someone that has a real philosophy. Not someone that is swimming in concepts that he doesn't know how to teach.

My biggest takeaway from this is he eats at McDonald's for breakfast. You need proper nutrition to get you through raising 3 small children and leading a Power 6 program. All that stress and fast food isn't good for you.
 
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