And so it begins... NIL

[HFCS]

There are a lot of donors out there (Maybe not at ISU) that have businesses that make lots of money who want there team to be the best and they will pay whatever they want to make that happen. Winning makes it worth their investment.

And that is "fair market value" when a bunch of those guys around the country effectively engage in a bidding war.

A huge % of our society has this misplaced idea of altruism attached to free markets. Being for or against market forces is like being for or against laws of physics and nature. They aren't good or bad things we can support or oppose, they just are.

 

[RClone]

Yes, but they announced that quite a while ago.

It's always nice to know one is over the target . . . so you want the continued professionalization of college sports? You guys truly are blind as to what is coming in a few years. Enjoy CMC . . he will be heading to another BIG $$$$$ program sooner than later. Then I come back and see what you think then . . . cry me river!

 

[TXCyclones]

Oh no, the free market!!!!!!!!!!!

This isn't "free market". This is open "bag men" throwing money at kids to tilt the competition. This is equivalent to removing the salary cap in the NFL. While there is a "worth" to several of these kids having their likeness used for advertising I don't believe any of them are worth $2,000,000 yet.

 

[HFCS]

I think that was just to make a splash and be different on the front-end of this deal. If they took the same money and paid the top 5 guys on the roster it wouldn't have had the same attention as the whole team deal. Smart move.

My company does toys and collectibles. If I was targeting selling to a fan base the next best thing to having the logo would be having the whole team and/or coach.

We've been making some $ during pandemic on social media personality merchandise. It's more hit-or-miss than our usual movie/tv licensing but it can hit big.

The great thing about football from a licensed merch point if view is that if you invest in a freshman you can get 3 years of a devoted school fan base. With hoops it would suck that after a year he's away from that fan base of cash unless your deal extends into his NBA career.

 

[HFCS]

This isn't "free market". This is open "bag men" throwing money at kids to tilt the competition. This is equivalent to removing the salary cap in the NFL. While there is a "worth" to several of these kids having their likeness used for advertising I don't believe any of them are worth $2,000,000 yet.

As long as there are a bunch of your bag men and not just one that is exactly what the free market is.

Removing the NFL salary cap would also create more of a free market than having one.

 

[Mr Janny]

It's always nice to know one is over the target . . . so you want the continued professionalization of college sports? You guys truly are blind as to what is coming in a few years. Enjoy CMC . . he will be heading to another BIG $$$$$ program sooner than later. Then I come back and see what you think then . . . cry me river!

I am for athletes being free to capitalize. I am for the end of the anti-competitive practices that the NCAA has employed for years. If that means that the pendulum swings towards the athletes, hooray!

And if Iowa State is unable to cope with the change in landscape, I'll be sorry about that. I tend to believe that people like Pollard are very good at what they do. And rolling with the punches and making the best of it is exactly what they get paid to do.

 

[Mr Janny]

This isn't "free market". This is open "bag men" throwing money at kids to tilt the competition. This is equivalent to removing the salary cap in the NFL. While there is a "worth" to several of these kids having their likeness used for advertising I don't believe any of them are worth $2,000,000 yet.

You're describing the free market. These deals are worth what people are willing to pay.

 

[cyclone87]

This probably makes something like the Entertainment District project even more important with the additional revenue stream it could supply for the AD.

 

[TXCyclones]

You're describing the free market. These deals are worth what people are willing to pay.

Bribes are not the same as free market. That's why there are caps on campaign finance as well. This is nothing more than thinly veiled bribery and payoff.

 

[BryceC]

This isn't "free market". This is open "bag men" throwing money at kids to tilt the competition. This is equivalent to removing the salary cap in the NFL. While there is a "worth" to several of these kids having their likeness used for advertising I don't believe any of them are worth $2,000,000 yet.

You have this exactly backward.

Capping pay isn't free market. Capping campaign finance donations aren't free market.

Baseball is much more of a free market where players can sign for any amount they want to.

 

[NorthCyd]

Bribes are not the same as free market. That's why there are caps on campaign finance as well. This is nothing more than thinly veiled bribery and payoff.

All the boogie men people want to make out of this change still doesn't change the fact the anti-competitive nature that the NCAA had been running under was wrong. It has always been wrong. Any legal expert said this was coming for a long time. There will be some growing pains but college sports will come out on the other side just fine. They wouldn't have to go through this if the NCAA had done the right thing from the start.

I wonder how many people wailing about this support hardcore free market capitalism in just about every other corner of society? A lot I bet.

 

[BryceC]

Bribes are not the same as free market. That's why there are caps on campaign finance as well. This is nothing more than thinly veiled bribery and payoff.

Bribes are illegal.

Paying people for performing a service isn't.

 

[RClone]

I am for athletes being free to capitalize. I am for the end of the anti-competitive practices that the NCAA has employed for years. If that means that the pendulum swings towards the athletes, hooray!

And if Iowa State is unable to cope with the change in landscape, I'll be sorry about that. I tend to believe that people like Pollard are very good at what they do. And rolling with the punches and making the best of it is exactly what they get paid to do.

Your issue, I believe, speaks to the NCAA monopoly coupled with over paid coaches. Old cliche ... but throwing the baby out with the bath water is not the solution. You can see right NOW rhe emerging chaos...and the neutered NCAA is almost helpless now to control ...this was a horribly executed decision by the Supreme Court...really. really sad.

 

[Mr Janny]

Bribes are not the same as free market. That's why there are caps on campaign finance as well. This is nothing more than thinly veiled bribery and payoff.

Tomato - Tom-ahh-to

But how is the deal that Kayvon Thibodeaux signed a bribe? He was already committed to playing for Oregon. He already has established himself as a top player and is likely to be taken early in the draft. He's very popular and prominent. Why is his Nike deal a bribe? Does Nike get nothing out of it?

 

[Clonefan32]

Your issue, I believe, speaks to the NCAA monopoly coupled with over paid coaches. Old cliche ... but throwing the baby out with the bath water is not the solution. You can see right NOW rhe emerging chaos...and the neutered NCAA is almost helpless now to control ...this was a horribly executed decision by the Supreme Court...really. really sad.

Explain to me what is "sad" about an 18-22 year old making his or her market rate?

Listen, if you selfishly believe this is a bad standard because it will hurt Iowa State, then that's fine. But acting like this has somehow tainted the purity of the college athlete is absolutely comical in two ways:

A) That ship sailed decades ago, and
B) It's allowing young adults to profit off their marketability which we allow in literally every other sector of society.

 

[Dr.bannedman]

This forum is gonna explode before the football season starts. People need to take a break. 50 more days? Lol

 

[TXCyclones]

Tomato - Tom-ahh-to

But how is the deal that Kayvon Thibodeaux signed a bribe? He was already committed to playing for Oregon. He already has established himself as a top player and is likely to be taken early in the draft. He's very popular and prominent. Why is his Nike deal a bribe? Does Nike get nothing out of it?

I've been in favor of the kids getting paid for years. But this is going to be a sh/tshow for a while. At least it's out in the open now rather than the shady bag men of the past. I guess if Stivers Ford or Phil's Pizza of Birmingham wants to pay a kid $1M to be a spokesman they can do it out in the open now and both can pay tax accordingly.

 

[Mr Janny]

Your issue, I believe, speaks to the NCAA monopoly coupled with over paid coaches. Old cliche ... but throwing the baby out with the bath water is not the solution. You can see right NOW rhe emerging chaos...and the neutered NCAA is almost helpless now to control ...this was a horribly executed decision by the Supreme Court...really. really sad.

Calm down, man. College sports aren't going anywhere. They're still going to play. People are still going to watch.

We're in a period of flux right now, and I get that makes you nervous and uncomfortable. That's a good thing. Uncertainty breeds innovation. Yes, changes are occuring. And not all of them are going to be good. That's okay. People and programs will sink or swim. That's life. That's the real world. College sports are finally joining it.

 

[isufbcurt]

Bribes are illegal.

Paying people for performing a service isn't.

Is it a bribe or a service for me to offer the top high school player in the country $1 million to shoot a commercial if he comes to Iowa State, but I have no intention of ever airing that commercial?

 

[Mr Janny]

I've been in favor of the kids getting paid for years. But this is going to be a sh/tshow for a while. At least it's out in the open now rather than the shady bag men of the past. I guess if Stivers Ford or Phil's Pizza of Birmingham wants to pay a kid $1M to be a spokesman they can do it out in the open now and both can pay tax accordingly.

I completely agree with everything in this statement. Yes, it's going to be a **** show for a while, but I'll argue that's it's already been a **** show for a long, long time. The difference is that now people can't close their eyes and pretend it's not.