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I hope he has success as well and want the players to capitalize as much as they can with it. That said, I'm having a hard time buying either of the shirts they've put out for Brock and Breece so far. Nothing personal, just for me I'd still rather buy ISU gear as opposed to kitschy player stuff.
And that's fine we all have our personal preferences and choices in capitalism. I will say that I think you are in the minority. Kids especially are going to freak out over this merchandise.

Also, I've never heard of the word kitschy. Thanks for the enlightenment.
 

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I hope he has success as well and want the players to capitalize as much as they can with it. That said, I'm having a hard time buying either of the shirts they've put out for Brock and Breece so far. Nothing personal, just for me I'd still rather buy ISU gear as opposed to kitschy player stuff.

I feel the same way! Good for the kids if they make a few bucks off this...but I prefer not to tie my "team" clothing into one player. Just a personal choice and it extends to my other favorite teams as well. Never had a Frank Thomas shirt...but had a lot of White Sox gear during his era.
 

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I hope he has success as well and want the players to capitalize as much as they can with it. That said, I'm having a hard time buying either of the shirts they've put out for Brock and Breece so far. Nothing personal, just for me I'd still rather buy ISU gear as opposed to kitschy player stuff.

I might be interested if someone put out a sweet Blaise Bryant shirt.
 

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And that's fine we all have our personal preferences and choices in capitalism. I will say that I think you are in the minority. Kids especially are going to freak out over this merchandise.

Kids might...you are correct. But if someone is looking to make a financial gain that is sizable you will need more than just kids with an Iowa State interest.
 

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Kids might...you are correct. But if someone is looking to make a financial gain that is sizable you will need more than just kids with an Iowa State interest.
The onus is on the player. It's their brand it's like any other business. I don't see why it's up to Iowa State or anyone else to ensure that they're making maximum potential earnings. Facilitate their ability to do so and welcome understanding and implementation of rules that will be so helpful in this scenario. Otherwise they got to work to get there NIL out there and generating funds.
 
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And that's fine we all have our personal preferences and choices in capitalism. I will say that I think you are in the minority. Kids especially are going to freak out over this merchandise.

Also, I've never heard of the word kitschy. Thanks for the enlightenment.
I could absolutely see it be a hit with the teen-20s age group. And LOL you're welcome.
 
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Good post.
I understand why some people are scared of this new landscape. There's a ton of unknown. And it's always easier to accept the devil you know. But there is no going back to the way things have worked historically. People just need to accept that. The writing has been on the wall for some time now.

The idea of schools agreeing to artificially limit the value of a scholarship has been chipped away at for a long time now. In any other industry, it would have been stomped out long ago. People being held to different standards, specifically because they're athletes is also something that wouldn't be tolerated in other industries.

The genie is not going back in the bottle. People can complain and predict doom and gnash their teeth that this is happening, but that won't stop it. The writing is on the wall. Short of a longshot federal law, which would be subject to lawsuits in itself, this is the new landscape. We're in the infancy now, but there's nothing to do but deal with it or quit paying attention.
We are upset because there are no uniform rules, regulations, and policies to keep that Genie from morphing into Godzilla. This whole issue is already turning into a incredible disaster/joke. A lot of us don't want to see college sports diminished or put on some sort of 10 year rehab program . . just to sort out all of the "eaches" and permutations associated with this nonsense. Jus Sayin . . so let's just agree to disagree. Go Cyclones!
 
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This will be a free for all and the NCAA won't even attempt to enforce any loose form of rules. I mean, any rule they put in place will likely have easy loopholes and won't be worth attempting to enforce.

The entire reason the NCAA made rules like this in the first place, is because schools were aware exactly what it would be like if they weren't on the books. This is now professional sports folks, and the universities will now decide to pay these players however - and whenever - they want.

It's going to be chaos.

Again, what's with this cryptic stuff? It's going to be chaos - okay, what does that mean? What does that look like? Right now, the schools can't actually pay the players, but even if they could, what's the problem there?

In 2001, the AD budget was 19,917,249, and total budgeted salaries were 7,156,957.


In 2010, it was 40,084,014 and total budgeted staff and salaries were 14,381,894.


In 2021, the AD budget is 85,004,014 and the staff salaries are 32,019,714.



What we're seeing here is over the last 20 years, Revenues have doubled every 10 years, salaries for the AD have doubled every 10 years, and the players have been paid basically roughly the same thing, tuition, room and board.

This might be all well and good for some people. Changes to this might be bad for ISU. But the fact is, when these kinds of dollars are thrown around it's absolutely unsustainable to expect the status quo to remain the same whether we like it or not.
 

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We are upset because there are no uniform rules, regulations, and policies to keep that Genie from morphing into Godzilla. This whole issue is already turning into a incredible disaster/joke. A lot of us don't want to see college sports diminished or put on some sort of 10 year rehab program . . just to sort out all of the "eaches" and permutations associated with this nonsense. Jus Sayin . . so let's just agree to disagree. Go Cyclones!
And what I'm saying is that people hanging their hopes on the return of uniform rules and regulations, either don't understand or haven't been paying attention. Those overarching rules and regulations, that they're pining for, are exactly what is being eliminated, because they are anti-competitive and are being challenged as a violation of antitrust law.
You are free to disagree with the way it's going, and to be unhappy about it, but the reality is that this is where we are, and there's little chance that we're going back. The only way to go is forward.
 

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My only real concern for ISU is that since its programs focus on identifying under the radar talent and developing them into all conference type players, will they lose them to a grass is greener situation elsewhere once they hit the big time?

I really think that for 99% of athletes NIL income would be less than $10,000 over a five year career. There are waayyyy more athletes than there are potential suitors, and the endorsements they make for the most part will need to provide a return for their sponsor. But the bankable dudes will make bank as they always have.
 
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We are upset because there are no uniform rules, regulations, and policies to keep that Genie from morphing into Godzilla. This whole issue is already turning into a incredible disaster/joke. A lot of us don't want to see college sports diminished or put on some sort of 10 year rehab program . . just to sort out all of the "eaches" and permutations associated with this nonsense. Jus Sayin . . so let's just agree to disagree. Go Cyclones!

Holy ****.....if Breece Hall getting a couple bucks for recording a message to a fan or Brock Purdy getting a cut of the sale of a shirt with his name on it diminishes college sports for you, maybe you are the problem.....maybe your hallowed view of "amateur sport" shouldn't have been built on a foundation of non-participants and administrators getting rich in the first place. Do you get pissed knowing that actors get paid and aren't entertaining you simply for the love of making movies?

Campbell seems like the kind of coach that will tolerate all of the NIL stuff, right up until the point it affects the team.....and he seems to be building his team with players that hold each other accountable. Some coach somewhere might focus on getting a bunch of Instagram influencers to commit and play football in their spare time, but I have no doubt that will not be the case in Ames as long as Campbell is here.
 
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Holy ****.....if Breece Hall getting a couple bucks for recording a message to a fan or Brock Purdy getting a cut of the sale of a shirt with his name on it diminishes college sports for you, maybe you are the problem.....maybe your hallowed view of "amateur sport" shouldn't have been built on a foundation of non-participants and administrators getting rich in the first place. Do you get pissed knowing that actors get paid and aren't entertaining you simply for the love of making movies?

Campbell seems like the kind of coach that will tolerate all of the NIL stuff, right up until the point it affects the team.....and he seems to be building his team with players that hold each other accountable. Some coach somewhere might focus on getting a bunch of Instagram influencers to commit and play football in their spare time, but I have no doubt that will not be the case in Ames as long as Campbell is here.
I agree with this and honestly I'm not even sure it will take Campbell doing anything to fix those problems. People who are focusing on the right things will advance and people who are focusing on the wrong things will not. It will be obvious when you're playing time is gone that you've been investing too much time in your NIL portfolio.
 

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Holy ****.....if Breece Hall getting a couple bucks for recording a message to a fan or Brock Purdy getting a cut of the sale of a shirt with his name on it diminishes college sports for you, maybe you are the problem.....maybe your hallowed view of "amateur sport" shouldn't have been built on a foundation of non-participants and administrators getting rich in the first place. Do you get pissed knowing that actors get paid and aren't entertaining you simply for the love of making movies?

Campbell seems like the kind of coach that will tolerate all of the NIL stuff, right up until the point it affects the team.....and he seems to be building his team with players that hold each other accountable. Some coach somewhere might focus on getting a bunch of Instagram influencers to commit and play football in their spare time, but I have no doubt that will not be the case in Ames as long as Campbell is here.
You are not even remotely interacting with any of my posts...stupid response. Sorry ..but that us how I see it
 

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You are not even remotely interacting with any of my posts...stupid response. Sorry ..but that us how I see it

Fantastic and entirely unsurprising rebuttal......"well, you're stupid".....are you 9?

You are right, I'm not "interacting" with your posts; I'm providing an alternative opinion that disagrees with what you wrote.

Hope you have an incredible day.....you sound like an absolute delight.
 

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A new era of NCAA athletics — and a long awaited one — arrived last week, as new guidelines went into effect on July 1 allowing all-student athletes to profit off their name, image and likeness (NIL). Of course, that hasn't come without fears of potentially divided locker rooms as some players are bound to make greater profits than others, but at least one player for one college football's most well-known programs isn't concerned about NIL deals impacting team chemistry.

In a recent interview with 247Sports' College Football Daily podcast, Texas Longhorns linebacker DeMarvion Overshown downplayed any concerns about such a rift occurring over NIL money. For Overshown and his teammates, the opposite may be true if anything, as the Longhorns linebacker indicated that NIL deals have been more of a rallying point for Texas players than something that could potentially divide the team as the program enters its first year under head coach Steve Sarkisian.

 

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We are upset because there are no uniform rules, regulations, and policies to keep that Genie from morphing into Godzilla. This whole issue is already turning into a incredible disaster/joke. A lot of us don't want to see college sports diminished or put on some sort of 10 year rehab program . . just to sort out all of the "eaches" and permutations associated with this nonsense. Jus Sayin . . so let's just agree to disagree. Go Cyclones!

What sort of uniform rules, regulations and policies do you think would be reasonable?
 
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So has Cornbred or Hickory Park sponsored our O-line yet? That seems to be the thing to do. I've seen elsewhere where BBQ joints have sponsored the O-lines. Arkansas and Notre Dame for sure.
 

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My only real concern for ISU is that since its programs focus on identifying under the radar talent and developing them into all conference type players, will they lose them to a grass is greener situation elsewhere once they hit the big time?

I really think that for 99% of athletes NIL income would be less than $10,000 over a five year career. There are waayyyy more athletes than there are potential suitors, and the endorsements they make for the most part will need to provide a return for their sponsor. But the bankable dudes will make bank as they always have.
The problem with your second paragraph is that conceptually, ROI and bankability don't have to exist with NIL. My favorite example, a fictitious Austin Cadillac dealership, could simply be used as a front...a place for boosters to pool and funnel money to player whose NILs might never be seen by the public. Theoretically, the entire starting OL at UT could be getting $50k each with the only care from the dealership owner and his cronies being that they win...no ROI for the dealership necessary.
 

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The problem with your second paragraph is that conceptually, ROI and bankability don't have to exist with NIL. My favorite example, a fictitious Austin Cadillac dealership, could simply be used as a front...a place for boosters to pool and funnel money to player whose NILs might never be seen by the public. Theoretically, the entire starting OL at UT could be getting $50k each with the only care from the dealership owner and his cronies being that they win...no ROI for the dealership necessary.
There was little preventing the same thing from happening before, and it very likely did happen. NIL rights just bring it out from under the table.