Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

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Put yourself in the PAC 12 or Big 10 shoes. Is there any value in adding other members of the Big 12 conference? Remember it's all about $$$. Does the conference make more $$$ by adding any of these schools? Is ISU a good investment.

More mouths at the table, but the same (or minimum) increase to the pie doesn't make sense.
What you’re saying makes sense, but KU and ISU wouldn’t be making remotely close to what other B1G members make for a while. Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska still aren’t making equal I believe. We would definitely have to bring some sort of positives to the conference though.

Jamie will put us in the best position with the B1G and Pac12. We’ve got a lot going for us in comparison to other schools.
 

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I don't have time to read everything so this might have already been posted. It is a decent article from the Weird Harold. Of course, Nebby is always going to blame Texas but there is a lot of truth here.

 
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Well at least we have Miller and Condon to put the worst possible spin on everything happening. Lol! God their act gets old. Time to switch the channel.
 

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Put yourself in the PAC 12 or Big 10 shoes. Is there any value in adding other members of the Big 12 conference? Remember it's all about $$$. Does the conference make more $$$ by adding any of these schools? Is ISU a good investment.

More mouths at the table, but the same (or minimum) increase to the pie doesn't make sense.

Is ISU a good investment to the AAC, MWC, or reformed Big 12. I'd say yes. In the eye's of the Big 10 or PAC 12? The answer isn't as clear cut. Those conference will have to make that determination

The Pac 12 badly needs schools outside of the pacific and mountain time zones. Of all of the conferences, they're the one who most need to do something.
 

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Put yourself in the PAC 12 or Big 10 shoes. Is there any value in adding other members of the Big 12 conference? Remember it's all about $$$. Does the conference make more $$$ by adding any of these schools? Is ISU a good investment.

More mouths at the table, but the same (or minimum) increase to the pie doesn't make sense.

Is ISU a good investment to the AAC, MWC, or reformed Big 12. I'd say yes. In the eye's of the Big 10 or PAC 12? The answer isn't as clear cut. Those conference will have to make that determination
I think the conferences add value (aka how much the conference itself makes) when they add schools. More eyes on their product (network subscriptions) but the slices of the pie get smaller when you add a school like ISU.

B1G makes more money but schools bring home a smaller share.

(my opinion, kind of guessing)
 

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What you’re saying makes sense, but KU and ISU wouldn’t be making remotely close to what other B1G members make for a while. Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska still aren’t making equal I believe. We would definitely have to bring some sort of positives to the conference though.

Jamie will put us in the best position with the B1G and Pac12. We’ve got a lot going for us in comparison to other schools.
I assume we would use our cut of the buyout fees OU and Texas pay to cover our decrease in shares for whatever new conference we end up in.
 

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The Pac 12 badly needs schools outside of the pacific and mountain time zones. Of all of the conferences, they're the one who most need to do something.

I continue to think this is ISU’s most likely outcome. But even it is not a sure thing. Tech, OSU, Kansas, and TCU (with the DFW metro) are all viable here too. I think ISU is in the top 4 of those 5 schools for Pac-16 value however.
 

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I assume we would use our cut of the buyout fees OU and Texas pay to cover our decrease in shares for whatever new conference we end up in.
Which is what everyone in the “Elite 8” will do as well. That $$ will be very handy for helping navigate through this process and cover up any shortcomings at the start.
 

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The more you stick around the more I am all for making our own wild west leageu where we pay every player in our own crypto coin. Even do incentives. Touchdown pass? 100 Wild West Coins. Interception? 20 WIld West Coins? Win the game 1000 coins.
Break out the chizik coins. Gotta be a pile somewhere.
 

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Measuring future revenue is very difficult. While adding more teams may seem to decrease the slice of each piece of the pie, it would give the conference greater influence and control over what is currently an unstable industry, which may lead to greater revenue (or less loss thereof) in the future.
 
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The Pac 12 badly needs schools outside of the pacific and mountain time zones. Of all of the conferences, they're the one who most need to do something.
I think a group of 4-6 of us in the central time zone would be worth that 30-40 MM of value due to giving them early games. Those 11am and 2 pm CT games that the PAC don’t really seem to have. OSU/ISU/TT/TCU and an attractive group for that. Maybe not a step up but not a big step backwards at least.
 

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Measuring future revenue is very difficult. While adding more teams may seem to decrease the slice of each piece of the pie, it would give the conference greater influence and control over what is currently an unstable industry, which may lead to greater revenue (or less loss thereof) in the future.
We also bring more votes in. If there are 2-5 teams that may have decent landing spots, they do t want to add 4 votes that would stick them from leaving early. Expansion for next year is a double edged sword.
 

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Well at least we have Miller and Condon to put the worst possible spin on everything happening. Lol! God their act gets old. Time to switch the channel.
I am listening too and getting pissed off! Even if it ends up being true, pissing off a large part of your audience is not great. I think Iowa State has a good shot to end up somewhere in a power conference but not sure. I wasn't upset by the video. I just looked it as we need to say something but can't really "say" anything. I think Condon would be all too happy to see ISU drop to the abyss even though it would be terrible for their business.
 

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tv comp.PNG OK - now that people are depressed after reading JP and WWs body language and were somehow thinking they weren't going to say exactly what was needed to keep us out of GoR trouble, here's a positive manifesto on why ISU is in better shape than the typical fan and Twittiot realize.

In 2019 ISU was 21st in the country in attendance. That's despite being not exactly a vacation destination to make a long weekend, but also being one of two geographical outliers in the conference. So, there's no visiting team attendance padding (looking at you, Northwestern). In addition, ISU was certainly capacity constrained.

Also, as far as TV ratings go, I think comparing across conferences is tricky, since time slot, opponent, channel all play a role. Plus, viewership gets boosted by eyes from other teams within a conference, so being in a bigger conference with better overall TV viewership helps. Nevertheless, I pulled a few random TV ratings numbers from last year to do a quick comparison from here: https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

Now, there seem to be a couple games missing, and for the reasons above you don't want to bet the farm on ratings, but here are a few schools I picked as comparisons to ISU. I also showed what happened if you subtract out conf. champ. games, bowls, and even big time opponents (or Iowa-Neb. since that was something of an outlier for each).

So by the two metrics that matter for ad revenue in the future, ISU stacks up far better than people think. Now, does ISU represent some sort of windfall for a conference picking them up? No. But a team like ISU that has demonstrated a fanbase that will watch games, seek out and pay for content that is likely to take conditions favorable to a conference that adds them can certainly make sense.
 

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This all now depends on the Big 10, if they want to expand, and take KU and ISU, we are good. If not then KU will end up in the ACC, more of a basketball league, and ISU, OSU, KSU and TT end up as either a eastern pod in the Pac 12 or the 4 eastern schools in the new east division along with CU, Utah and the Arizona schools. Pac 12 expands their footprint into the central time zone allowing them to have 11:00 games instead of asking the Western schools to play at 10:00 and 9:00 locally to start a game.
 
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