Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[Statefan10]

If one is looking at 'media market' or 'brand recognition', IMO they have no vision of the future for which these entities are being established.

Our brand recognition is starting to become a Toppling Goliath (great beer) of sorts. Last year alone we beat OU, TX and Oregon AND had the most viewers in that Oregon game. This year we’re a “must watch” game against OU in Norman for potential playoff implications.

Sure, people care about $$. But you know what people also care about? WINNING. Winning solves most problems and if we can have a great season next year, and Jesus if we somehow win the Big 12, that’s going to enhance our brand and recognition even more.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

The WSJ piece speaks to the market value if a program was sold like a business. They evaluate things like cash flow and debt ratios. It has nothing to do with TV ratings or value brought to a conference but rather how financially well-positioned they are as a business entity.

Cash flow and debt are very famously manipulated by many athletics departments because public schools in particular have incentives not to show the wild profits they’re making on the books.

 

[ruxCYtable]

I'm absolutely shocked that some people think ISU would be okay going to the AAC. This is the level of (lack of) understanding we are dealing with:

When pointed out that DSM speculates a drop to AAC or MWC would be a $30 million revenue hit annually:


I understand the skepticism of the Register, but it's simple addition and subtraction. Pretty sure they can handle that much. And ISU is #34 nationally in revenue.

And this gem. The AAC will become a super conference if ISU joins:

 

[AuH2O]

Thoughts on how "worried" each school should be about finding a solid landing place:

Least worried: WVU, KU, OSU
Moderately worried: ISU, TT, KSU
Very worried: BU, TCU

Agree? Disagree?

It depends, if people think there's a risk that all conferences will dissolve and reset, then many schools will be every bit as worried or moreso than ISU. That includes a good chunk of the PAC, a few of the Big 10 (Iowa included) and several of the ACC.

The fact is 2019 and 2020 the gauge of popularity of teams (and thus ad value moving forward) for Iowa and Iowa State are about as similar as two teams can be.

Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Purdue, Minn, Northwestern, Oregon St., Colorado, Utah, Arizona, ASU, WSU, UCLA, Cal, BC, Wake, UVA, Syracuse to name a few don't stack up to Iowa or ISU when you look at a demonstration of willingness for people to seek out and pay for the product measured by TV viewership and attendance.

2019 Iowa was 20th in the nation in attendance, ISU was 21st. Here's a quick snapshot of a few teams I wanted to compare TV viewership to ISU:



Also, as someone shared yesterday, the Fox family of networks (Big 10, PAC, and Big 12) averaged 1.8 million including post season. If you took out the CCG games that would be around 1.6 million. ISUs avg viewership was 2.4 million for all games, 1.8 million for regular season. So that means ISUs viewership across the different networks was better than average among Big 12, Big 10 and PAC teams games on Fox.

 

[surly]

Cash flow and debt are very famously manipulated by many athletics departments because public schools in particular have incentives not to show the wild profits they’re making on the books.

Well, you're making a statement there that your university might take exception to.

 

[AuH2O]

There’s some great atmospheres in the B1G. We’d be in the upper middle of the pack but we’re certainly better than Rutgers, MD, Minny, Purdue, Illinois, Indiana (we also have a bigger stadium), and Northwestern. That’s half the f’n conference! Lol

If not for their ability to draw fans from other schools Northwestern would be an absolute morgue on gamedays. Many ACC and PAC teams have absolutely pathetic attendance.

 

[20eyes]

I change the categories to

Delusional: Ku, ISU, WVU
Worried: K-State, TxT, oSu
Emaciated: Baylor, TCU

Are we for real letting this a**hole come in here and sh*t on ISU?

F*cking ban this POS, now.

F*ck you, Surly. Leave.

 

[surly]

School	Average attendance	Capacity percentage	National rank
Clemson	81,409..80	99.89%	14
Florida State	68,653.80	86.29%	19
Virginia Tech	60,989.60	92.93%	24
NC State	56,931.20	98.84%	29
Miami	55,822.60	86.19%	34
Louisville	49,891.60	82.06%	39
UNC	48,817.80	96.67%	41
Georgia Tech	48,817.20	84.65%	42
Pittsburgh	43,117.80	63.04%	52
Virginia	42,036.00	68.35%	54
Syracuse	35,608.60	72.28%	62
Boston College	34,018.60	76.45%	64
Duke	27,115.20	67.78%	79
Wake Forest	27,081.40	85.97%	78

 

[surly]

Are we for real letting this a**hole come in here and sh*t on ISU?

F*cking ban this POS, now.

F*ck you, Surly. Leave.

Good grief. I made an assessment about fan expectations based on watching this unfold on fan sites from Stillwater to Ames. Relax, buddy. We're all in this together.

 

[Statefan10]

School	Average attendance	Capacity percentage	National rank
Clemson	81,409..80	99.89%	14
Florida State	68,653.80	86.29%	19
Virginia Tech	60,989.60	92.93%	24
NC State	56,931.20	98.84%	29
Miami	55,822.60	86.19%	34
Louisville	49,891.60	82.06%	39
UNC	48,817.80	96.67%	41
Georgia Tech	48,817.20	84.65%	42
Pittsburgh	43,117.80	63.04%	52
Virginia	42,036.00	68.35%	54
Syracuse	35,608.60	72.28%	62
Boston College	34,018.60	76.45%	64
Duke	27,115.20	67.78%	79
Wake Forest	27,081.40	85.97%	78

We’re at #3 on that list

 

[cyrocksmypants]

I’ll throw in the fact that Iowa’s issues are going to catch up with them soon and their beloved HC will no longer be there. What happens to Iowa’s brand then? And sure you could make the similar argument about CMC, but the fact of the matter is that if we join the B1G, Matt stays.

Probably even more of a lock to stay because now he’s playing in a conference with his home state in the footprint, if we were theoretically in the conference. And I don’t know if I could see him being someone that would leave us for an in conference school (OSU).

 

[Bestaluckcy]

School	Average attendance	Capacity percentage	National rank
Clemson	81,409..80	99.89%	14
Florida State	68,653.80	86.29%	19
Virginia Tech	60,989.60	92.93%	24
NC State	56,931.20	98.84%	29
Miami	55,822.60	86.19%	34
Louisville	49,891.60	82.06%	39
UNC	48,817.80	96.67%	41
Georgia Tech	48,817.20	84.65%	42
Pittsburgh	43,117.80	63.04%	52
Virginia	42,036.00	68.35%	54
Syracuse	35,608.60	72.28%	62
Boston College	34,018.60	76.45%	64
Duke	27,115.20	67.78%	79
Wake Forest	27,081.40	85.97%	78

Wake Forest would vote yes on adding KU.

 

[20eyes]

Good grief. I made an assessment about fan expectations based on watching this unfold on fan sites from Stillwater to Ames. Relax, buddy. We're all in this together.

No, we're really not.

 

[AuH2O]

Posted this elsewhere, but I thought this was a good demonstration of what how well ISU when not relegated to FS2, etc. Plus this does not have the Texas or Oklahoma boost:

Oct 24 at 3:30 pm
CBS, Alabama-Tenn 4.36 mil
Fox, Iowa State- Oklahoma State 2.81 mil
ABC, Notre Dame-Pitt 2.49 mil
FS1, Penn St - Indiana 2.01 mil
ESPN, Texas-Baylor 1.15 mil
BTN, Iowa-Purdue, 795,000

I also know that ISU-KSU got 2 mil viewers. Fiesta bowl on ESPN got 6.7 mil.

As a comparison, Nebraska and Iowa's top viewed game was their Black Friday game vs. one another at 2.7 million. All the rest of both teams' games ranged between 0.6-1.8 mil.

Granted, Iowa-Nebraska might have drawn a better audience had there not been much bigger game on at that time (Iowa State - Texas).

 

[surly]

No, we're really not.

Then you have no reason to act like a whiny little girl who didn't get a date to the prom, and further, it shows the validity of my delusional point.

 

[CyTwister]

Are we for real letting this a**hole come in here and sh*t on ISU?

F*cking ban this POS, now.

F*ck you, Surly. Leave.

He’s not wrong. BU and TCU are screwed, KSU, OSU, TTU fans don’t have much hope, and KU, ISU, WVU fans think they are going to get an invite shortly when I don’t see much chance that happening.

Nebby joining the B1G gave them 12 teams so they could have a conference title game, Rutgers and Maryland were added in a different media market. I don’t see any reason why the B1G would add ISU other than they’re “acceptable” much in the same way Memphis or Cincy would be “acceptable” to have invited to the B12 over the past 5 years and there’s no way we wanted them in the party.

Unless having 16 teams grants new privileges, I’m not sure why the B1G would take ISU. Better to wait till 2035 for ND or ACC members, or grab some PAC 12 schools. I hate to say it, but choose ISU and KU would be kind of a desperation move.

I could see the PAC-12 snagging us as more likely (but still slim) although obviously I want the B1G for selfish reasons (traveling to games near Chicago).

 

[Statefan10]

Then you have no reason to act like a whiny little girl who didn't get a date to the prom, and further, it shows the validity of my delusional point.

We’re in a much better spot than KSU and it’s not close. Given the fact that we’re not in a good spot shows how bad it probably is for KSU.

 

[Statefan10]

He’s not wrong. BU and TCU are screwed, KSU, OSU, TTU fans don’t have much hope, and KU, ISU, WVU fans think they are going to get an invite shortly when I don’t see much chance of that happening.

Nebby joining the B1G gave them 12 teams so they could have a conference title game, Rutgers and Maryland were added in a different media market. I don’t see any reason why the B1G would add ISU other than they’re “acceptable” much in the same way Memphis or Cincy would be “acceptable” to have invited to the B12 over the past 5 years and there’s no way we wanted them in the party.

Unless having 16 teams grants new privileges, I’m not sure why the B1G would take ISU. Better to wait till 2035 for ND or ACC members, or grab some PAC 12 schools. I hate to say it, but choose ISU and KU would be kind of a desperation move.

We’re not just talking about the B1G though…

 

[CyLyte2]

If we could find a partner for BYU that is similar in stature to them, the Big 12 could carry on.

 

[20eyes]

Then you have no reason to act like a whiny little girl who didn't get a date to the prom, and further, it shows the validity of my delusional point.

I reported your post and am making it my personal project to get you banned.

I'd implore any other ISU fans that are tired of your bullsh*t to do the same.

This site is for ISU fans. ISU fans get ignored, sh*tbirds like you should get banned.