Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

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It seems there are two claims that the Big 12 has against the ESPN/OU/UT/AAC/SEC/whoever collusion.

The first is the monetary loss under the terms of the current media contract that would be incurred if the Big 12 immediately folded due to the ESPN/AAC collusion. This is basically losing any buyout income from UT/OU and/or the loss of owning the UT/OU media rights through 2025, and loss of income if the landing spot conference makes less money. This is probably the basis of the tortious interference claim by Bowlsby.

The second claim is a future earnings loss. Future earnings are often very difficult to prove, and one reason why such lawsuits are often settled for much less than originally sought, lost, or dropped. Proof has to be submitted for a some kind of monetary loss rate (i.e. $/yr), and how long that loss would be incurred.

ESPN, at the end of last year, signed a 10-year guaranteed deal (starting in 2025) with the SEC, and their ACC agreement ends in 2036. So, the time frame for the future loss suffered by the 8 remaining Big 12 schools could be reasonably defined by ESPN's own recent actions. It's also not difficult to come up with how much money ESPN would be paying to the 8 schools if the Big 12 remained intact with OU/UT as compared to what ESPN would pay the 8 schools if they were shuffled off to the AAC, again based on what ESPN is currently paying in its other contracts.

Thus, it is not difficult to define the future monetary loss for the remaining Big 8 schools (or financial gain by ESPN), as it is basically defined by ESPN's current and prior business dealings. That number is big, and makes a great motive for orchestrating the collapse of the Big 12.
 
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BYU is a much different flavor of religious school than TCU. TCU is even notably more liberal (in the religious sense) than Baylor. I think the Christian angle could be a hindrance to TCU but it is not a 100% no chance situation like BYU that is punishing students for premarital sex and drinking alcohol.
Have you been to TCU? May be more liberal than BYU but still very conservative and religious. It isn’t hard to be more liberal than BYU considering every school in the country except for maybe the wack job fundamentalist schools like that one the Falwell dude ran and Oral Roberts or something.
 

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Like I said before, if they thought that was going to work, ESPN is about as stupid as, well, I thought they were. I love how all these reports about how the AAC was trying to take the Big 12 teams. Well, no ****. There's never been one second in the past where if Big 12 teams said they wanted to join that the AAC wouldn't take them.

The AAC can "try to get" Big 12 teams all they want, but some of these teams probably simply have better options that they can absolutely explore and exhaust, and if those look bad, take the best of the AAC.

God people are so ******* dumb.
Yes, it does work. ESPN has the AAC so they go to the Big 8 and say when Texas and OU leave you're value is going to tank but if you all join up with the AAC then while your value still goes down we'll make sure it doesn't fall as much as it will on your own. This is why there was that crazy article right away about the AAC taking on Big 12 members. That was ESPN trying to direct the ship and get it in people's minds. As well as get all the inventory of the remaining Big 8 at a reduced cost and get UT & OU out of big penalty payouts. Bowlsby called their bluff. Now its a whole new ballgame. And people must understand, ESPN is NOT in a position of strength.
 

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Have you been to TCU? May be more liberal than BYU but still very conservative and religious. It isn’t hard to be more liberal than BYU considering every school in the country except for maybe the wack job fundamentalist schools like that one the Falwell dude ran and Stephen F. Austin or something.

I have spent a decent amount of time at TCU and it felt to me like most any other college. Except for the fact that the student body is nearly 2/3rds women. It would be a very fun place to go be a single male student.
 

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Dear CBS:


It would be interesting as hell to know what the UT and OU people were saying internally (and externally for that matter) when the Big 12 was trying renegotiate and were turned down. People on both sides (except for, you know, the Big 12 officials that were still trying to do their jobs) almost certainly knew what was going down.
 

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It seems there are two claims that the Big 12 has against the ESPN/OU/UT/AAC/SEC/whoever collusion.

The first is the monetary loss under the terms of the current media contract that would be incurred if the Big 12 immediately folded due to the ESPN/AAC collusion. This is basically losing any buyout income from UT/OU and/or the loss of owning the UT/OU media rights through 2025. This is probably the basis of the tortious interference claim by Bowlsby.

The second claim is a future earnings loss. Future earnings are often very difficult to prove, and one reason why such lawsuits are often settled for much less than originally sought, lost, or dropped. Proof has to be submitted for a some kind of monetary loss rate (i.e. $/yr), and how long that loss would be incurred.

ESPN, at the end of last year, signed a 10-year guaranteed deal (starting in 2025) with the SEC, and their ACC agreement ends in 2036. So, the time frame for the future loss suffered by the 8 remaining Big 12 schools could be reasonably defined by ESPN's own recent actions. It's also not difficult to come up with how much money ESPN would be paying to the 8 schools if the Big 12 remained intact with OU/UT as compared to what ESPN would pay the 8 schools if they were shuffled off to the AAC, again based on what ESPN is currently paying in its other contracts.

Thus, it is not difficult to define the future monetary loss for the remaining Big 8 schools (or financial gain by ESPN), as it is basically defined by ESPN's current and prior business dealings. That number is big, and makes a great motive for orchestrating the collapse of the Big 12.

This makes too much sense.
 

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I thought this was interesting.


"But, at least in my opinion, the Pac-12 conference either expands as discussed above; or, in some other manner expands? Or the conference works with the Big 10 to ‘contract,’ as also discussed above.

If one or the other does not happen, Pac-12 football will simply fade farther away from relevance."
 

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I have spent a decent amount of time at TCU and it felt to me like most any other college. Except for the fact that the student body is nearly 2/3rds women. It would be a very fun place to go be a single male student.
@Ace000087 might have the best insight of TCU on this board.
 

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Yes, it does work. ESPN has the AAC so they go to the Big 8 and say when Texas and OU leave you're value is going to tank but if you all join up with the AAC then while your value still goes down we'll make sure it doesn't fall as much as it will on your own. This is why there was that crazy article right away about the AAC taking on Big 12 members. That was ESPN trying to direct the ship and get it in people's minds. As well as get all the inventory of the remaining Big 8 at a reduced cost and get UT & OU out of big penalty payouts. Bowlsby called their bluff. Now its a whole new ballgame. And people must understand, ESPN is NOT in a position of strength.

Except the value of the remaining Big 12 is still better than the AAC. Big 12 regular season only, without UT and OU averaged nearly 40% more viewers than the average AAC game even when you include their CCG. That was with the Cincy undefeated season.

Unless ESPN was going to really sweeten the pot, a Big 12 with the likes of BYU, and the top of the AAC would be far more valuable than the AAC taking the Big 12 leftovers.

Sorry, teams that fill the stands and draw viewers like ISU and OSU, and a blue blood basketball program like KU have zero business, or need to be in a conference with ECU, Navy or Tulsa.
 

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If the American merger was the only option on the table because ESPMonopoly was the only media distributor left, wouldn't be surprised if Kansas said they're just gonna play UConn and Liberty three times a year in football and sent their hoops program to the Big East.
 

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Pac 12 won’t invite TCU. They would have invited BYU years ago if they were going to take a religious school. Same for Baylor. I would look for more of a Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma State, Tech “wall” to keep all the other big conferences out of the western half of the US.
Someone posted the following note on the premium board but it isn't premium info so I'll share here.

(Without posting a link) Someone said the PAC-12 is not interested in adding religious schools.

This is likely why BYU has never been invited and TCU/Baylor are not likely to get in there either, if they chose to expand.
 
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Except the value of the remaining Big 12 is still better than the AAC. Big 12 regular season only, without UT and OU averaged nearly 40% more viewers than the average AAC game even when you include their CCG. That was with the Cincy undefeated season.

Unless ESPN was going to really sweeten the pot, a Big 12 with the likes of BYU, and the top of the AAC would be far more valuable than the AAC taking the Big 12 leftovers.

Sorry, teams that fill the stands and draw viewers like ISU and OSU, and a blue blood basketball program like KU have zero business, or need to be in a conference with ECU, Navy or Tulsa.
Something else to keep in mind is that OU & TX typically received the Big XII’s prime TV slots. If they are no longer in the picture, teams like ISU, OKST, TCU, etc will slide into better time slots and see their viewer ratings increase
 

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NO ONE is going to the AAC.. unless teams get absorbed by the Pac12 and/or B1G. The fact that ESPN pushed the narrative for us to join that conference instead of saying the logical thing ==> AAC joins the actual “P5” Conference, just proves that ESPN was trying to get out of the rest of their deal with the Big 12.

Bunch of f****** snakes.
The narrative is horribly naïve. ESPN is trying to tell the AAC to grab 3-5 Big 12 teams so that's the reason the Big 12 dissolves. That is NEVER going to happen. Pay $80M exit fees to collect like $40M back??? What???
 
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Something else to keep in mind is that OU & TX typically received the Big XII’s prime TV slots. If they are no longer in the picture, teams like ISU, OKST, TCU, etc will slide into better time slots and see their viewer ratings increase

Time slots are mostly up to the networks. The conference deal might include a certain number of prime time games for the Big 12, but I'm unsure about that.
 

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Someone posted the following note on the premium board but it isn't premium info so I'll share here.

(Without posting a link) Someone said the PAC-12 is not interested in adding religious schools.

This is likely why BYU has never been invited and TCU/Baylor are not likely to get in there either, if they chose to expand.

Well we should surely hope that is accurate. Without TCU and Baylor in the mix there are basically 5 options for the Pac-12. And the one thing I am certain of is that we are a more attractive choice than K-State.
 

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Someone posted the following note on the premium board but it isn't premium info so I'll share here.

(Without posting a link) Someone said the PAC-12 is not interested in adding religious schools.

This is likely why BYU has never been invited and TCU/Baylor are not likely to get in there either, if they chose to expand.
I think it’s more specifically Stanford and Cal that have vetoed religious schools in the conference.
 
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