Kansas to Big 10?

[SolarGarlic]

Here's a link to the fan message boards. It's brutal.

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Lol is that supposed to be your research? Your goal posts are constantly moving because you're getting destroyed in this thread.

 

[jctisu]

One thing that I would love to know is smaller population states like Iowa that has two D1 schools and are rivals (Oklahoma and Kansas are two other examples) and how many eyeballs the rival fanbase is bringing. Let's be real a lot of ISU fans tune in to watch Hawk games and Iowa fans, whether they admit it or not, are tuning in to see ISU hopefully lose. Especially since ISU has upped their level the last 5 years. College-driven areas (no pro sports in the state) with big rivals are going to bring more eyeballs than just that one team's fanbase because of the hatred toward the other school.

I have a couple of Auburn fans I work with and they both watch Bama games when they aren't on the same time as the Auburn game because they will cheer for anyone playing the Tide. In the end, that is viewership and the networks don't care who, but rather how many are watching.

 

[Cydkar]

I usually tell people Iowa State and they say "thats the Hawkeyes right?" Of course that's anecdotal.

I'm over 50 and this has never happened to me.

 

[SolarGarlic]

dedric's premise is that conference commissioners are going to use the perception of message board posters over data.

 

[nrg4isu]

Agree with this... it's not the market size... it's the passionate fans IN the market.

100% Take a look at.... dare I say Alabama?

Tuscaloosa pop ~95,000 Ames ~60,000
Bama Enrollment: ~37,000 ISU ~34,000

Obviously Bama has a massive following and is THE top brand in college football (FU Texas). But is their market really that different than ours? Stop with the market crap, it's all about BRAND. Iowa State's brand is and has been on the rise for quite a while. It's not top tier (yet), but I think most of the ingredients are in place for it to continue to grow.

 

[deadeyededric]

Ah I guess the Auburn-Oregon game from a couple years back did terrific numbers too. But again, you're talking about Wisconsin which is actually a bigger "brand" than Oregon is.

But yeah tbh no one really cares about USC. No one really cares about college sports as a whole in California.

So Oregon is just coincidentally in the highest rated bowl game every year that isn't a playoff game? They are the one constant in all of these games.

 

[isu81]

Ah I see we have moved on from Rutgers and now are claiming Oregon was the only reason ISU/ORE had 6.68 million people watch the Fiesta Bowl to keep moving the goal posts.

Welp let's take a look at some of Oregon's regular season games last year:

ORE/CAL - 1.01 million
ORE/ORST (rivalry game) - 2.8 million
ORE/UCLA - 1.08 million
ORE/WSU - 2.73 million
ORE/STAN - 1.66 million

Now ISU:

ISU/TEX - 3.57 million
ISU/KSU - 1.98 million
ISU/OKST - 2.81 million
ISU/TTU - 1.38 million
ISU/OU - 3.71 million
ISU/WVU - 1.22 million
ISU/KU - 247k (trying to be fair and not just pick all the good ones, so chose the dreadful KU game but for reference, this is how bad KU games draw: KU/OU was only 681k)

Long story short is those Oregon numbers compared to the ISU numbers look pretty similar and most are in favor of ISU, especially when you consider most of ISU's are against flyover, rural and isolated schools nobody currently wants. Whereas the massive LA market and the huge Oregon brand got that ORE/UCLA game a whopping 1.08 million viewers. Oregon's game with WSU (even worse shape than ISU for brand, location, fan base, etc.) was super popular at 2.73 million. Hmmmm...why? Because these rural areas all they have is the college football team to watch and entertain themselves.

I don't think anyone is saying the only ones who watched the Fiesta Bowl was because of Oregon. They may be saying no one watched it, which is sort of true.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2021/01/cfp-semifinal-ratings-rose-sugar-espn-viewership/

"The Iowa State-Oregon Fiesta Bowl drew 6.68 million earlier in the day, down 21% from the last non-semifinal edition two years ago (LSU-UCF: 8.47M) and the least-watched edition of the game on record."

 

[Beyerball]

I don't think anyone is saying the only ones who watched the Fiesta Bowl was because of Oregon. They may be saying no one watched it, which is sort of true.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2021/01/cfp-semifinal-ratings-rose-sugar-espn-viewership/

"The Iowa State-Oregon Fiesta Bowl drew 6.68 million earlier in the day, down 21% from the last non-semifinal edition two years ago (LSU-UCF: 8.47M) and the least-watched edition of the game on record."

College football ratings in 2020 were down across the board...alot. I can't figure out why that is given the Pandemic and people prob having more time on their hands etc..

So odd that sports TV ratings were not great last year..

 

[cyclones500]

I'm over 50 and this has never happened to me.

I've had it occur occasionally, but it's either (1) the person truly doesn't follow college sports closely (2) the person finds out I'm an ISU fan and is razzing me.

 

[deadeyededric]

I've had it occur occasionally, but it's either (1) the person truly doesn't follow college sports closely (2) the person finds out I'm an ISU fan and is razzing me.

The problem with 1 is that even though they don't know **** about college sports is they still know who the Hawkeyes are.

 

[mattyheiden]

Actual data is meaningless. @mattyheiden the Hok troll says he lived on the East coast, so he can make broad pronouncements of "fact" that outweigh actual data. But don't worry, he'll buy you a beer in Vegas.

I’m also a Cyclone alum. I’ll let it slide, since you’re typically one of the more combative posters on here. I’ll just put you on ignore.

 

[Statefan10]

So Oregon is just coincidentally in the highest rated bowl game every year that isn't a playoff game? They are the one constant in all of these games.

Is it Oregon or is it the magnitude of the game with the addition of playing another school with a large brand/following? I think it's both. I also think that sometimes the brand argument is thrown out the window when the team is good / bad.

In Iowa State's case, people liked watching them and they were certainly talked about. The argument of whether Iowa State should or shouldn't be a top-10 team was debated highly among ESPN and Fox talking heads. Not a big brand, but were entertaining.

 

[cyman05]

I don't think anyone is saying the only ones who watched the Fiesta Bowl was because of Oregon. They may be saying no one watched it, which is sort of true.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2021/01/cfp-semifinal-ratings-rose-sugar-espn-viewership/

"The Iowa State-Oregon Fiesta Bowl drew 6.68 million earlier in the day, down 21% from the last non-semifinal edition two years ago (LSU-UCF: 8.47M) and the least-watched edition of the game on record."

Yet we also outdrew another NY6 game of OU vs Florida by 1M viewers.

 

[Statefan10]

I've had far more people say "Go Buckeyes" or ask me if my state's the one with the potato than mention the Hawkeyes.

 

[ZRF]

Made some adjustments.....as I peruse other boards, here is the perception people outside of Iowa State are saying about us. Not saying this is right, but it is what I hear and what we are up against.

This is laughable given the comparison that was used. We've drawn more fans in our worst years than Vanderbilt has in their best (discounting opposing fans that travel). Literally no one cares about Vandy in Nashville or Tennsessee. Now you can make an argument that Iowa State isn't a national brand or event top dog in it's state (both true). But replacing Vanderbilt with Iowa State, or really ANY team from the Big 12 for that matter is laughable. EVERY SINGLE ONE has a larger fan following than Vanderbilt (most by a significant margin). And they likely always will.

 

[Statefan10]

This is laughable given the comparison that was used. We've drawn more fans in our worst years than Vanderbilt has in their best (discounting opposing fans that travel). Literally no one cares about Vandy in Nashville or Tennsessee. Now you can make an argument that Iowa State isn't a national brand or event top dog in it's state (both true). But replacing Vanderbilt with Iowa State, or really ANY team from the Big 12 for that matter is laughable. EVERY SINGLE ONE has a larger fan following than Vanderbilt (most by a significant margin). And they likely always will.

I've been to Nashville 3 times in the last 3 years and I can honestly say I can't distinctly remember seeing any Vanderbilt apparel being worn around.

 

[deadeyededric]

Is it Oregon or is it the magnitude of the game with the addition of playing another school with a large brand/following? I think it's both. I also think that sometimes the brand argument is thrown out the window when the team is good / bad.

In Iowa State's case, people liked watching them and they were certainly talked about. The argument of whether Iowa State should or shouldn't be a top-10 team was debated highly among ESPN and Fox talking heads. Not a big brand, but were entertaining.

It's Oregon. They are the one constant here.

 

[jcyclonee]

Oregon had the highest rated non-playoff bowl game the year before also by a long shot.

You're talking about the Rose Bowl. That is one bowl that has a true brand to it. Here are the ratings for the last 5 Rose Bowls that weren't part of the playoffs.

2019 - 8.7 - This is the Oregon game you are talking about
2018 - 8.9
2016 - 8.6
2015 - 7.4 - This is the Iowa v Stanford game that was over before it started.
2013 - 10.2

It doesn't look to me like Oregon makes a huge difference in the ratings. The Rose Bowl just doesn't want Iowa v Christian McCaffery.

 

[ZRF]

I listened to a video from Ohio St. Inside Scoop by Tom Orr, and he had a Big 10 "insider" on. I have no idea his credentials but he said in the Kansas pitch to the B1G, they are selling that their market spills in to Denver also. It said Western Kansas is covered by cable companies out of Denver, bringing the B1G into the Denver market also.

Not saying its valid but just passing it along.

Not a smart move by Kansas. Why? Because it's not true, which both hurts their credibility and makes them seem overly desperate (which everyone already knows as likely every Big 12 school is hoping for a lifeline). BFE Kansas may have Denver cable stations but even IF there are Kansas fans there the Denver stations/market doesn't give two ***** about that area. Why? The state of Kansas ends west of Salina. The entire western half might struggle to exceed 100k peeps. Bringing that into the argument is lol laughable.

 

[deadeyededric]

This is laughable given the comparison that was used. We've drawn more fans in our worst years than Vanderbilt has in their best (discounting opposing fans that travel). Literally no one cares about Vandy in Nashville or Tennsessee. Now you can make an argument that Iowa State isn't a national brand or event top dog in it's state (both true). But replacing Vanderbilt with Iowa State, or really ANY team from the Big 12 for that matter is laughable. EVERY SINGLE ONE has a larger fan following than Vanderbilt (most by a significant margin). And they likely always will.

Does the money from ticket sales go into the conference pot?