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Nebraska was AAU when added rutgers probably wouldn't be added now unless they really thought the market had a ton of value like it did 10 years ago.
'market had a ton of value ... 10 years ago' is exactly what some of us have been emphasizing. In 10 years that market will be more dramatically different than now. And there's a few on this board that see that clearly.
 
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[QUOTE="ImperialCyclone, post: 784tothink ISU adds value to the PAC more than the B1G. I also think butts in seats is going to be a huge indicator of streaming revenue. These all complicate the models. Lots of unknowns. I would say the value added potential is more likely KU/ISU in the PAC. AAU schools is huge for that conference. I hope that ISU/KU/Okie State end up in the PAC together. I just think the B1G is the longest of shots (despite it making a ton of sense).
I know it's a completely different model, but why can pro sports add expansion team after expansion team in every league and project money and income from each and every one, but top level college keeps working itself to get fewer and fewer top-level teams?

Wouldn't the ultimate end all of this be just two teams standing in another 30 years. Texas and Alabama? Maybe?
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Because given no other choice of identification, the 'professional' geographical market works. But, college is different. Your identification is first and foremost where you went to school. That hasn't changed in the 20 locations I've moved since I graduated. And I'll bet it's the same for most other university attendees as well.
 

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I love everyone’s optimism…I really do. I wish I shared it. I sincerely hope I am wrong. I do not know what variables Fox (for example) would use. I fully admit that. I do not know anything in the slightest. My gut and intuition is just telling me to be prepared for a financial change to our athletic department. Will I go to all games and donate more going forward? Absolutely. It’s also okay for Cyclones fans to differ in our opinions.
Exactly. 'Opinions' Where I think most people took exception was the righteousness of your opinion because you're a statistical modeler. I'm an investor, computer scientist, and architect and, in my 'opinion', my investment background best supports my expectations for the future.
 

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I am not refuting any of those things. I sincerely believe we deserve a seat at the table. I just think it won’t be in the big 10. No statistical/machine learning model can predict the future. We are allowed to disagree. All of the things you say have value to us as fans. It’s why I am at every game. I am also fully aware of comments made by Bob Bowlsby in regards to the Big 12 value in potential tv contract negotiations (-50%). That puts each school media value around 17-20 million per school. Every other power conference Makes more than that. So what is their motivation to add those schools? It’s the reason the big 12 never expanded past 10.

As I have repeatedly said, I don’t know the models used by tv companies. I just don’t see how any of those 8 teams can add anything to the current makeup of conferences as they stand right now. It breaks my heart, but that reality is looking more and more likely.
This type of thinking is why I hope Amazon jumps in. They have 'vision' and see where the future is going. And CFP needs them now more than they need CFP. But, in 20 years both CFP and Amazon will reap the benefits and I believe ESPN (if they stay the course) will be an afterthought. JUST my opinion. ;)
 

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My guess is the B1G doesn't need 'expansion' to keep up, but rather a cohesive plan with all conferences to maintain the quality of college football.

That is indeed what college football needs, but is it what it will get? If the choices are 1) a unified, forward-thinking, regional-based approach to make CFB better, with institutions giving and taking to share the financial benefits or 2) conferences and schools reacting to events with a “what’s in it for me” attitude and panicking into a keep-up-with-the-SEC model to try to grab as much immediate cash as they can without a plan for the future … well, I know where I’d put my money.:D
 
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Huh? That’s a remarkable claim, considering that Nebraska had been in the AAU since 1909.
If true, then they knew they were in danger of being on the way out and was quite sneaky at best using that getting into the BIG.
 

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If true, then they knew they were in danger of being on the way out and was quite sneaky at best using that getting into the BIG.

Would the B1G taken them anyway with some other reason?

There was A LOT of hype for them coming into the B1G. Bucky fans loved saying 'welcome to the B1G' after Nebraska got beat bad in Madison and it was interesting trying to explain to them that that kind of a beat down wasn't unusual over the decade prior.
 
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Would the B1G taken them anyway with some other reason?

There was A LOT of hype for them coming into the B1G. Bucky fans loved saying 'welcome to the B1G' after Nebraska got beat bad in Madison and it was interesting trying to explain to them that that kind of a beat down wasn't unusual over the decade prior.
Most likely, IMO.
 

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If true, then they knew they were in danger of being on the way out and was quite sneaky at best using that getting into the BIG.

IIRC they had been on a kind of "probation" period with the AAU for at least a couple years, where they were acknowledged to not be meeting the requirements but were given a grace period to get them met, and didn't. Forcing the membership vote by the AAU committee responsible for such things, shortly after joining the Big 10. Nebraska knew they were not going to be an AAU member going forward, the AAU knew it, and the Big 10 knew it as well. Didn't matter. And since, Nebraska has not even tried to rebuild their AAU profile to regain membership, I'm told. AAU and academics is important to the Big 10, but not as important as they make it seem.
 

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Would the B1G taken them anyway with some other reason?

There was A LOT of hype for them coming into the B1G. Bucky fans loved saying 'welcome to the B1G' after Nebraska got beat bad in Madison and it was interesting trying to explain to them that that kind of a beat down wasn't unusual over the decade prior.

The purpose then was content and marked. Nebraska football was a national brand, less than a decade from playing for the national championship. And, more importantly as it’s turned out, less than 5 years from hiring bill Callahan to start the destruction of their program.

what they did, and still, offer, is that they have an audience when they play Purdue or Indiana or Illinois or Rutgers or Maryland or Minnesota or even Iowa on an 11am broadcast.
 

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The purpose then was content and marked. Nebraska football was a national brand, less than a decade from playing for the national championship. And, more importantly as it’s turned out, less than 5 years from hiring bill Callahan to start the destruction of their program.

what they did, and still, offer, is that they have an audience when they play Purdue or Indiana or Illinois or Rutgers or Maryland or Minnesota or even Iowa on an 11am broadcast.

Right...so if they weren't an AAU school, do they still get in?
 

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Right...so if they weren't an AAU school, do they still get in?



Of course they would have. For all their boasting about academics, the athletic departments are Ohio State Michigan and Penn State, and more importantly their fans that gobble up tens of million dollars in merchandise every single year, don’t at all care whether or not their biology department gets a research grant to study the mating effects of groundhogs.

Nothing happens in that league unless it’s first run by gene smith. Michigan’s and penn st’s feelings are considered, but they aren’t as important as Ohio state. The rest of the conference is along for the ride. They changed how many rules last year to get them enough games to make the playoff?
Nothing happens in that league unless it’s first run by gene smith. Michigan’s and penn st’s feelings are considered, but they aren’t as important as Ohio state. The rest of the conference is along for the ride. They changed how many rules last year to get them enough games to make the playoff?

And they will take notice of ESPN/Disney’s new venture, if they see that they are being left behind.
 
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If we are to believe the story being presented, Texas and OU approached the Big Ten about joining. The Big Ten said OU isn’t an AAU school, so it’s a non-starter. If that is all true, then there is pretty good evidence that the Big Ten does not want non-AAU members regardless of their value considering they turned down two top ten brands that were going to come in a package deal.

Now, if they were smart, they would have declined anyway because Texas would immediately destabilize a conference that has Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers, and Maryland in it.
 
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Texas is a true cancer to all of college sports. Oversized egos coupled with underachieving is not what any conference should want. Can't wait to see their fans deal with even more mediocrity in their new landing spot. How long will it be before they want to leave and go somewhere else? Good riddance.
 

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IIRC they had been on a kind of "probation" period with the AAU for at least a couple years, where they were acknowledged to not be meeting the requirements but were given a grace period to get them met, and didn't. Forcing the membership vote by the AAU committee responsible for such things, shortly after joining the Big 10. Nebraska knew they were not going to be an AAU member going forward, the AAU knew it, and the Big 10 knew it as well. Didn't matter. And since, Nebraska has not even tried to rebuild their AAU profile to regain membership, I'm told. AAU and academics is important to the Big 10, but not as important as they make it seem.
Michigan and Prnn State voted to kick Nebraska out of AAU, so pretty apparent Big10 Presidents will overlook AAU membership if the sports side is viewed as a BIG win.
 
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Let's all take a deep breath & just remember that I started this thread.

Yeah thanks, it's like being in a blender. People re-hashing things that have been hashed to death. Nobody knows anything, but one or two people stirring things up which causes one or two more people to start fighting with themselves. Problem is this thread will go into an endless loop until the new contracts are signed which could be awhile so nothing else Xanax prescriptions will almost reach the Nebraska fan base level after losing to South Dakota for the past 10 years.
 

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Michigan and Prnn State voted to kick Nebraska out of AAU, so pretty apparent Big10 Presidents will overlook AAU membership if the sports side is viewed as a BIG win.

And in Nebraska's case it's not even actually the sports' side as far as actual success is concerned.

It's not like you can blame them since it's a business, but B1G fans pretending like Nebraska isn't the same in football because of their current competition is bewildering.

Ask Kansas football from '07 how prominent Nebraska football was then (beat them 76-39).
 
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Historically yes. Prob like 9th or 10th all time.. Past 20 years? Average.

Let's be clear Nebraska got into AAU bc Osborne had an "in" within the AAU voting ranks and did a favor...Once Neb got in the AAU committee said "Ok that was a fun 6 months now goodbye"..

AAU Membership to the BIG is #1 starting point.

Idk what that means for ISU or KU but I know this...Neither school is even getting the conversation without AAU.

Nebby was admitted into the AAU in 1909.
 

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IIRC they had been on a kind of "probation" period with the AAU for at least a couple years, where they were acknowledged to not be meeting the requirements but were given a grace period to get them met, and didn't. Forcing the membership vote by the AAU committee responsible for such things, shortly after joining the Big 10. Nebraska knew they were not going to be an AAU member going forward, the AAU knew it, and the Big 10 knew it as well. Didn't matter. And since, Nebraska has not even tried to rebuild their AAU profile to regain membership, I'm told. AAU and academics is important to the Big 10, but not as important as they make it seem.

Not sure what you mean by "rebuild their AAU profile", but Nebby was booted mainly for two reasons. Its medical school is located in Omaha, not Lincoln, under a separate administrative structure which affects how research $$$ is counted. And it's comparatively heavy in ag and extension work which involves research $$$ that's non-competitive.