Pac-12 to decide whether to expand within a couple weeks

[FriendlySpartan]

Yep, everything hinges on the resolution of the OU/UT situation. If ESPN wants their new prizes into their prized league earlier, they will have to pony up. Until then, Mr. Luck is probably telling everyone else to hold tight, and let the Hateful 8 lawyers do their thing.

Once OU and UT have officially left, the other 8 are free to disband the league if they feel they hare secure in their landing spots.

Can I ask why everyone on here seems to think that the potential lawsuit with espn or the big 12 has any bearing in this? That isn’t a concern for other conferences to reach out to schools for expansion and it has no bearing on offering a school membership.

I know a lot of people are bummed about expansion right now but keep winning (and keep CMC) and you will for sure get an invite in the next few years. There was never going to be any expansion anytime soon but that doesn’t mean that if ISU makes some noise in the playoffs that they couldn’t get an offer in the future.

 

[CyclonimusPrime]

Can I ask why everyone on here seems to think that the potential lawsuit with espn or the big 12 has any bearing in this? That isn’t a concern for other conferences to reach out to schools for expansion and it has no bearing on offering a school membership.

I know a lot of people are bummed about expansion right now but keep winning (and keep CMC) and you will for sure get an invite in the next few years. There was never going to be any expansion anytime soon but that doesn’t mean that if ISU makes some noise in the playoffs that they couldn’t get an offer in the future.

Just what I needed today, I participation trophy from FriendlySpartan.

 

[AuH2O]

Can I ask why everyone on here seems to think that the potential lawsuit with espn or the big 12 has any bearing in this? That isn’t a concern for other conferences to reach out to schools for expansion and it has no bearing on offering a school membership.

I know a lot of people are bummed about expansion right now but keep winning (and keep CMC) and you will for sure get an invite in the next few years. There was never going to be any expansion anytime soon but that doesn’t mean that if ISU makes some noise in the playoffs that they couldn’t get an offer in the future.

None of the remaining schools could afford to get themselves into a GoR bind, as they surely would have to forfeit some media revenue for a few years with a new league. So these teams can’t bolt. They need clarity on the OU/UT legal matters. They need either a payout from OU/UT or ability to leave without GoR payments to what is left of the Big 12.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Can I ask why everyone on here seems to think that the potential lawsuit with espn or the big 12 has any bearing in this? That isn’t a concern for other conferences to reach out to schools for expansion and it has no bearing on offering a school membership.

I know a lot of people are bummed about expansion right now but keep winning (and keep CMC) and you will for sure get an invite in the next few years. There was never going to be any expansion anytime soon but that doesn’t mean that if ISU makes some noise in the playoffs that they couldn’t get an offer in the future.

If the goal of the alliance is to counter the SEC and ESPN, it stands to reason that they wouldn't want to do anything that makes the UT/OU/ESPN buyout negotiations any easier for them. The Big 12 further disintegrating does exactly that. OU, UT, the SEC and ESPN would like nothing better, and it allows them an earlier exit at reduced cost.

If, instead, the remaining 8 say that they're standing pat through the remainder of the contract, and the opposing (alliance) conferences have no openings "at this time", the negotiations proceed, and the buyout is likely larger, which gives these programs a cushion that allows them to more easily join alliance conferences with reduced shares after the exit has been agreed upon.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

None of the remaining schools could afford to get themselves into a GoR bind, as they surely would have to forfeit some media revenue for a few years with a new league. So these teams can’t bolt. They need clarity on the OU/UT legal matters. They need either a payout from OU/UT or ability to leave without GoR payments to what is left of the Big 12.

Totally get that but that’s a team issue. Why would the money concern stop the PAC from offering membership if they thought they could bring value and up their media deal? They could always just say the membership goes into effect after the big 12 deal runs out. The lawsuit and settlement would matter to big 12 teams but not to other conferences. You bring up a good point about reduced fees but that wouldn’t matter when it comes to joining a stable conference.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

If the goal of the alliance is to counter the SEC and ESPN, it stands to reason that they wouldn't want to do anything that makes the UT/OU/ESPN buyout negotiations any easier for them. The Big 12 further disintegrating does exactly that. OU, UT, the SEC and ESPN would like nothing better, and it allows them an earlier exit at reduced cost.

If, instead, the remaining 8 say that they're standing pat through the remainder of the contract, and the opposing (alliance) conferences have no openings "at this time", the negotiations proceed, and the buyout is likely larger, which gives these programs a cushion that allows them to more easily join alliance conferences with reduced shares after the exit has been agreed upon.

I can see some of that but I’ve never once heard any talks about the settlement matting to anyone outside of the big12. Hell the two traitor teams could just wait a few more seasons and not pay anything.
The alliance already got their goal which is consolidating votes to prevent espn and the sec from owning everything.

 

[Die4Cy]

Totally get that but that’s a team issue. Why would the money concern stop the PAC from offering membership if they thought they could bring value and up their media deal? They could always just say the membership goes into effect after the big 12 deal runs out. The lawsuit and settlement would matter to big 12 teams but not to other conferences. You bring up a good point about reduced fees but that wouldn’t matter when it comes to joining a stable conference.

Their media deal is still 18+ months from starting negotiations. There is literally no impulse that would make it happen any sooner than that, unless their TV partners were ready to pay them to make it happen now. This is not a difficult concept.

 

[BCClone]

I can see some of that but I’ve never once heard any talks about the settlement matting to anyone outside of the big12. Hell the two traitor teams could just wait a few more seasons and not pay anything.
The alliance already got their goal which is consolidating votes to prevent espn and the sec from owning everything.

They have a minimum of 80 MM since they broke the communication rules. Then it’s 0 media rights. So whenever they leave it’s minimum 80 MM and up to a 300 MM plus each.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

They have a minimum of 80 MM since they broke the communication rules. Then it’s 0 media rights. So whenever they leave it’s minimum 80 MM and up to a 300 MM plus each.

So they are on the hook for 80mil regardless of how long they stay? Damn didn’t know that. Good info

 

[BCClone]

So they are on the hook for 80mil regardless of how long they stay? Damn didn’t know that. Good info

Correct. One rule is that you have notify the conference if you look elsewhere either 12 or 24 hours in advance. Obviously they did not. Punishment for that is 2 years of payments and this year is projected at 40.4.

 

[AuH2O]

So they are on the hook for 80mil regardless of how long they stay? Damn didn’t know that. Good info

So basically the schools need to know this before being able to negotiate, or more accurately what level of media rights they can forfeit, and for how long. Also, they could agree to join in 2025, but it’s quite possible the league dissolves before then. The outcome of the OU and UT mess will provide some clarity on that, or at least make sure there is no recourse for UT/OU to get out of paying AND no recourse from other members remaining that don’t have a landing spot.

 

[werdnamanhill]

So they are on the hook for 80mil regardless of how long they stay? Damn didn’t know that. Good info

The Big 12 will have to prove they broke the rules in court to get that money. Or at least threaten and posture enough to get Ou and UT to pay a good portion of it in a settlement. Depends on how good of proof we have

 

[BCClone]

The Big 12 will have to prove they broke the rules in court to get that money. Or at least threaten and posture enough to get Ou and UT to pay a good portion of it in a settlement. Depends on how good of proof we have

We can say there was no communication. OU and UT would have to prove they gave notice. That one falls on them.

 

[werdnamanhill]

We can say there was no communication. OU and UT would have to prove they gave notice. That one falls on them.

Actually, the first official communication was Out and Texas giving notice that they were looking to leave. Few days later (1?) The SEC voted. The Big 12 needs to prove there was prior talking with SEC before the official notice of intent to leave.

 

[Cyforce]

Sucks for Okie Lite and Purple Kansas. We Going to B1G!!!

 

[jbhtexas]

Actually, the first official communication was Out and Texas giving notice that they were looking to leave. Few days later (1?) The SEC voted. The Big 12 needs to prove there was prior talking with SEC before the official notice of intent to leave.

Texas Senate grills UT president Hartzell on realignment

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The UT president has already taken care of that part for the Big 12.

Hartzell: “We reached out to the SEC. I don’t recall the exact day, but it would’ve been this spring.[...]"

And later, SEC shill Finebaum furthered the Big 12's cause by declaring in his podcast he knows for a fact that OU Prez Boren was talking to the SEC several years ago.

 

[JM4CY]

Correct. One rule is that you have notify the conference if you look elsewhere either 12 or 24 hours in advance. Obviously they did not. Punishment for that is 2 years of payments and this year is projected at 40.4.

I love how this Spartan guy comes in here and act like none of us have done our homework and needs to teach us what we need to know. Guys turned into a real arrogant prick, honestly.

 

[Cyclones1969]

I keep seeing people articulate this idea but why would the Pac-12 base its strategic decisions on when and how much Big 12 schools get paid?

Because Oklahoma and Texas conspired with Disney to put the entire college football structure, and their collective futures, at risk.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Whether the P12 eventually wants to pick up a few Big 12 schools, or whether they want an ally in the fight against the SEC, them "needing" Big 12 schools seems like a really generous reading of things.

I read the TGS piece this morning - which everyone on Twitter seems to have adopted as gospel - and while it's all plausible, it also seems really difficult to imagine. It still isn't clear to me why the Pac-12 cares whether we get our money or not, particularly when under this theory we all end up safe in new conferences anyway.

To give Disney cause to stop before they collect the rest of the college football brand names. The acc and pac 12 even the big 10 are well aware that their brand name schools seeing the sec big dogs pulling even further ahead of them, could make them very tempted to jump as well.

there are also entrance fees to consider, and I am sure that the big 10 would be much happier taking Disney settlement money, instead of financing Iowa state for 10 years.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Because Oklahoma and Texas conspired with Disney to put the entire college football structure, and their collective futures, at risk.

It's not that they conspired, it's that they didn't inform the Big 12 office that they were conspiring in a timely manner. Per Big 12 bylaws you have to give the office notice before you start talking with other conferences. There is documented evidence that OU and UT were talking with the SEC at least no later than the spring of this year. And if Bowlsby was this blindsided when the announcement came out, then it means OU and UT didn't notify, which means they broke the Big 12 bylaws and are on the hook for the punishments.

And, for the record, if you're asking why the other 8 members wouldn't be subject to the same thing as OU and UT for talking to the other three conferences, they would be - thus the hiring of Oliver Luck. Luck, and official employee of the conference, can act as a go-between the schools and the other conferences so keeping OU and UT on the hook doesn't get messed up.