Segregationist Darrell K Royal–Texas Memorial Stadium

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Unfortunately, if you dig back 60+ years into many things, you'll likely uncover a lot of ugliness and intolerance. It's ok to acknowledge it happened, but it's more important to move forward and learn from mistakes.

I don't have a good answer on where to draw the line in this country's history when it comes to paying tribute to historical figures despite some of their actions, but renaming a stadium seems like a pretty small step. It looks like it's only been named after Darrell K Royal since 1996. Changing it back to Texas Memorial makes sense.

It very well may be a white-washing of history, but this part makes me think there'd be enough of an argument of a redemption arc for Royal for UT to keep his name on the stadium.

(Royal’s record on race takes a small book to parse—he was still coach when the team integrated and some Black players credit him with installing a mentorship program with Black professionals in Austin; Royal, who also served as athletic director, stated that LBJ, with whom the coach developed a close friendship, made him rethink how he could use his position to improve equality.)
 

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People pound their chests today at those nasty segregationists. But in reality, it was part of most families, certainly mine growing up in Sioux City and spending lots of time on the uncles' farms and at the aunts' picnics around northwest Iowa.

It was different then. We were a country of slaves not long before these people were born. It took time to come to our senses as a country and that started in earnest when I was at Bishop Heelan. Everything should be understood, not accepted, but understood in the context of the times.

You wear Jack Trice's logo with pride. But it wasn't that long ago, guys.
To be fair, Sioux County is still stuck in the 60's.
 

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Yeah I think Royal's mind changed, which is a great thing. That actually should be celebrated, and in looking back we should be grateful that things have changed.

I listen to Tim Keller, who is a pretty famous pastor, who had one of my favorite lines of all time. "You deeply believe something that your grandchildren will be embarrassed you thought. You just don't know what it is yet." I"m paraphrasing him it's been years since I heard that one.
 

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People pound their chests today at those nasty segregationists. But in reality, it was part of most families, certainly mine growing up in Sioux City and spending lots of time on the uncles' farms and at the aunts' picnics around northwest Iowa.

It was different then. We were a country of slaves not long before these people were born. It took time to come to our senses as a country and that started in earnest when I was at Bishop Heelan. Everything should be understood, not accepted, but understood in the context of the times.

You wear Jack Trice's logo with pride. But it wasn't that long ago, guys.

I dated one of your cheerleaders back in the day.

She later broke my heart.

Nothing personal, but I hate you now.
 

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I dated one of your cheerleaders back in the day.

She later broke my heart.

Nothing personal, but I hate you now.

Well, I dated one as well, Judy. Cute. Smart. Northside girl. But the same outcome. She married the coach's son who went on to Minnesota on a track scholarship. But I never held that against my alma mater.

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To those comparing Iowa to Texas or the southeast, I can tell you've never lived in the deep south.
I have never lived in the deep South. I have seen pictures from the twenties and thirties of large groups of the Klan on church and public property In the town I grew up in.
 

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I have never lived in the deep South. I have seen pictures from the twenties and thirties of large groups of the Klan on church and public property In the town I grew up in.


The biggest difference is that back then, it was everywhere down south. Up here.....not so much. My mother in laws parents grew up in a mining town here in Iowa where everyone got along. Read about Buxton, Iowa. And there were many more examples like that all across Iowa. That would have never flied down south back then............anywhere!
 

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Royal's problem seems to be centered more around the behavior of racist white student athletes and the perceived problem it would create for recruiting. His biggest concern appears to be not requiring the rest of the conference go along with it. Or taken to it's core, winning.

While it's easy to say that he should have done more to promote equality back in the day and label him a racist, it's also important to understand the context of the era and all the other moving pieces...both bad as well as good. I promise you there isn't a single person who visits this site who doesn't have a relative that acted in a similar manner (if not far worse) in the 1950s.
 
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I have never lived in the deep South. I have seen pictures from the twenties and thirties of large groups of the Klan on church and public property In the town I grew up in.

It's a matter of timeframes regarding the level change/progress made in the various parts of the country. If we are talking 1959 (which the OP is) or even today, there is no comparison between Iowa and the deep south.

Regarding the KKK, they were still holding a rally in the park two blocks from my place in the SEC town I lived in. 1980s, and I didn't need pictures.
 

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Meh I’m not going to crucify an old white guy who had racist views in the late 50’s. Trying to apply our standards to past is always problematic. Hell my great grandmother was the sweetest person I ever knew and I’m sure being from Arkansas she had some views that were definitely racist because she didn’t know any different. That doesn’t necessarily make them a bad person just a product of the era.
 

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The biggest difference is that back then, it was everywhere down south. Up here.....not so much. My mother in laws parents grew up in a mining town here in Iowa where everyone got along. Read about Buxton, Iowa. And there were many more examples like that all across Iowa. That would have never flied down south back then............anywhere!
I’m familiar with the Buxton story. Interesting integrated community with significant participation of African Americans in high profile occupations. That said what did it last maybe thirty years and to my knowledge never duplicated again in Iowa.
 

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I’m familiar with the Buxton story. Interesting integrated community with significant participation of African Americans in high profile occupations. That said what did it last maybe thirty years and to my knowledge never duplicated again inIowa.

The town didn't die because everyone started hating each other.
 
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Guess that explains why Texas A&M fans (well, the ones on Texags forums back in the day anyway) refer to UT's stadium as "DKKKR"


(Though based on some of the subforums over there....more of them would agree with DKR than they'd like to admit)
 
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