Rankings Drop?

AppleCornCy

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Something to keep in mind: Iowa State was almost 200 points ahead of Oregon in the first poll and more than 400 ahead of Florida.

Unless the majority of voters with ISU on ballot the first time were wholly so unimpressed by the UNI result, we aren’t falling below those teams. It COULD happen, but I’d guess most who had us in top 10 will give some leeway for having an unimpressive "W" vs FCS.

My best-guess for the new ranking - not necessarily how I’d rank, but educated guess of what it’ll be. Take with grain of salt.

1 Alabama
2 Ohio State
3 Georgia
4 Oklahoma
5 Clemson
6 Texas A&M
7 Notre Dame**
8 Cincinnati
9 Iowa State
10 Oregon
11 Florida
12 Iowa
13 Penn State
14 USC
15 Texas
16 Virginia Tech
17 Wisconsin
18 North Carolina
19 UCLA***
20 Indiana
21 Coastal Carolina
22 Utah
23 Arizona State
24 LSU**
25 Louisiana
DO: Washington

ARV: Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, TCU, Auburn, Michigan, Liberty, NC State, Boise State, Nevada, BYU, Maryland …

**Assuming ND win vs FSU. UC&ND were separated by only 5 points in previous poll, simple enough for ND to jump with a higher-quality win.
***UCLA probably in, but perhaps not this high. If it's only 21-25, LSU might drop out. Not sure where this'll land.

Poll Tracker, if you want to see individual voter choices for ISU

I think Indiana will drop out. They lost by four touchdowns to a team not named Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, or Georgia.

Louisiana probably drops out too. They were ranked #23 and lost by 20 points. Don’t be surprised if Penn State is just outside the top 10. I bet UCLA jumps to just outside the top 15.
 

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Interested in what your top-10 would be right now?

I never gave you mine, so you made a lot of assumptions about me and how down I am on this team because I am actually being honest and objective if trying to take it from an outsider's point of view on this first week. This is how I would have the top-15 based off a lot of what actually happened in Week 1 and what I see in each team for potential. I take a more CFP committee-based approach where I re-rank each week instead of the lazy way of "Hey you were ranked #10 and won, so therefore you can't drop because you won."

1. Alabama (Appears to be in a league of their own)
2. Georgia (Defense is nasty)
3. Clemson (Same as Georgia, biggest question is how the QB develops)
4. Oklahoma (They will be fine, but the defense has to get back to what they were at end of last year)
5. Ohio State (Hard to get a read on them. Sloppy first game, but they are explosive)
6. Texas A&M (Sluggish to start, but started clicking more as the game went on)
7. Notre Dame (Going into Tallahassee is not easy as FSU always has talent. Still hesitant because not sure how good FSU is in the same light.)
8. Cincinnati (Look like a repeat of what they were last year)
9. Iowa State (The talent is clearly there, and we have inside knowledge of how the UNI game typically goes. But you get penalized for such a lackluster performance offensively. Defense looks really tough though.)
10. Florida (Just a solid win. Nothing too flashy, but looked good)
11. Iowa (Very impressive final score. Still need to see what Indiana really is. This weekend will tell a lot)
12. USC (Dominant win over a team that went 7-0 in the regular season last year)
13. Penn State (Couldn't judge too much from this ugly game, but a win at Camp Randall is worth something)
14. Texas (When you are the trendy upset pick (Louisiana) and completely dismantle that team, you get rewarded. Bijan Robinson is a boss. Still not sold on their defense)
15. Coastal Carolina (Not much to say other than they are a talented team all around)

One caveat is Miami, as I have no idea how good or bad they are because Bama makes almost everyone look terrible.

To be fair, you’re jumping to a lot of assumptions of your own on the very few words I typed about Joel Klatt’s tweet. I don’t even understand why they put those out with this game involving a Top Ten team on tonight and Louisville/Old Miss on Monday…jumping the gun a bit. Wild overraction swings tend to be in the 15-25 range because that’s where to poll vote total differences are easier to be justified and overcome. But, all petty quarrels aside, here’s where I’d put teams now with the asterisk that there is another game yet to play.

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Oklahoma
5. Clemson
6. Texas A&M
7. Notre Dame
8. Cincinnati
9. Iowa State
10. Oregon
11. Florida
12. Iowa
13. Penn State
14. USC
15. UNC

…bonus…
16. Texas
 

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To be fair, you’re jumping to a lot of assumptions of your own on the very few words I typed about Joel Klatt’s tweet. I don’t even understand why they put those out with this game involving a Top Ten team on tonight and Louisville/Old Miss on Monday…jumping the gun a bit. Wild overraction swings tend to be in the 15-25 range because that’s where to poll vote total differences are easier to be justified and overcome. But, all petty quarrels aside, here’s where I’d put teams now with the asterisk that there is another game yet to play.

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Oklahoma
5. Clemson
6. Texas A&M
7. Notre Dame
8. Cincinnati
9. Iowa State
10. Oregon
11. Florida
12. Iowa
13. Penn State
14. USC
15. UNC

…bonus…
16. Texas
What assumption about you did I jump to? Go on...

You made the assumption I was super unhappy about our win against UNI. And I provided points and info that say otherwise. But go on...

Wait so you still have Florida pretty much right where Klatt has them? I am just very confused at this point because Florida seems to be the one you are most upset about on his rankings. I will ask you about Oregon then being 10th in yours. Again if you want to chuck things at others for being ridiculous then prepared to have it chucked back. Oregon's performance in no way deserves a top-10 ranking, and UNC at 15 is a strange one because they lost to an unranked team, and looked pretty poor in doing so.

In the end I respect your opinion because they are YOUR rankings, which is all Klatt did. And judging by your own list, you pretty much agree with Klatt and nothing he put out was crazy. So just confused in the end.
 

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First off, early season rankings don’t matter. Second off,
Can you link what you're talking about? ESPN power ranking has us 11th.

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^^^ This guy gets it. Campbell is perfectly content just barely beating FCS teams if it means we don’t give away our playbook and get the win. It’s incredibly frustrating as fans but trust the process.
 

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First off, early season rankings don’t matter. Second off,

^^^ This guy gets it. Campbell is perfectly content just barely beating FCS teams if it means we don’t give away our playbook and get the win. It’s incredibly frustrating as fans but trust the process.
JFC, are people really thinking Campbell would rather lose to UNI and ruin a dream season then show Iowa a couple plays?

This is the dumbest **** I've seen on here for awhile and an excuse for 1. Being the first game 2. Playing poorly 3. UnI being better than people give them credit for.

Enough with this nonsense.
 

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What assumption about you did I jump to? Go on...

You made the assumption I was super unhappy about our win against UNI. And I provided points and info that say otherwise. But go on...

Wait so you still have Florida pretty much right where Klatt has them? I am just very confused at this point because Florida seems to be the one you are most upset about on his rankings. I will ask you about Oregon then being 10th in yours. Again if you want to chuck things at others for being ridiculous then prepared to have it chucked back. Oregon's performance in no way deserves a top-10 ranking, and UNC at 15 is a strange one because they lost to an unranked team, and looked pretty poor in doing so.

In the end I respect your opinion because they are YOUR rankings, which is all Klatt did. And judging by your own list, you pretty much agree with Klatt and nothing he put out was crazy. So just confused in the end.

No…I don’t agree with Klatt, in the 3 following points that I originally identified:
1. I didn’t move Florida up 4 spots into the top ten, I moved them up 2. They got an extra one spot benefit from teams ahead of them losing.
2. I didn’t move Iowa up 8 spots into the top ten, I moved them up 6, and even then I think that’s a little high at #12 but they did have a dominating conference win.
3. I didn’t move Notre Dame up until I saw what they did at Florida State in a tough emotional environment.

4. Oregon moved into a vacated spot. They lost their best defensive player Thibodeaux in the first quarter of the game…they persevered.
5. UNC lost a conference game, by a touchdown, on the road in a tough environment to an overlooked team. Yeah, they could drop further, switch them with Texas, drop them even lower if you want but I don’t think they drop out…VT looked good; they will probably be getting votes and may slip into the 20-25 rankings.

Potentially dropping out:
Miami (biggest swing…they were embarrassed), Indiana, Washington, Louisiana

It’s the first week, my rankings aren’t as swingy, +/- 6 spots max…which is what you’ll typically see unless something crazy happens.
 

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JFC, are people really thinking Campbell would rather lose to UNI and ruin a dream season then show Iowa a couple plays?

This is the dumbest **** I've seen on here for awhile and an excuse for 1. Being the first game 2. Playing poorly 3. UnI being better than people give them credit for.

Enough with this nonsense.
I wonder how FCS teams that are ranked compare to major conference school teams. History suggests in recent years that they are definitely better than the KUs of the world. I wonder if the easing of transfer rules in FBS will start taking a toll on talent in the FCS level. They still have a lot of FBS transfers, but it used to be the only option to play right away.

UNI is a decent team with a handful of FBS transfers, the ultimate in continuity in a coach and philosophy. And for whatever reason ISU has been very bad in game 1 since MC got here. Even the one fairly easy win over UNI a few years ago wasn’t pretty. It took a couple pick 6s against a bad UNI offense to get things rolling.
 
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I wonder how FCS teams that are ranked compare to major conference school teams. History suggests in recent years that they are definitely better than the KUs of the world. I wonder if the easing of transfer rules in FBS will start taking a toll on talent in the FCS level. They still have a lot of FBS transfers, but it used to be the only option to play right away.

UNI is a decent team with a handful of FBS transfers, the ultimate in continuity in a coach and philosophy. And for whatever reason ISU has been very bad in game 1 since MC got here. Even the one fairly easy win over UNI a few years ago wasn’t pretty. It took a couple pick 6s against a bad UNI offense to get things rolling.

The better FCS teams are the ones that develop talent the best. The ones that go into small schools and take projects and turn them into something or go into lower income urban schools and find kids that don't get seen or go into wealthier areas outside metros and find kids that are maybe overshadowed. You can supplement with some FBS transfers but solely relying on that as your recruiting flat doesn't work and it's been tried over and over and over.

UNI has a total of 3 FBS transfers that have a significant role (RB Dom Williams-Kansas, LG Antoine Frazier- Kansas, S Benny Sapp-Minnesota). The true high end talent at UNI is all home grown. You'll find the same thing at NDSU, SDSU, Montana, James Madison, etc...
 

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The better FCS teams are the ones that develop talent the best. The ones that go into small schools and take projects and turn them into something or go into lower income urban schools and find kids that don't get seen or go into wealthier areas outside metros and find kids that are maybe overshadowed. You can supplement with some FBS transfers but solely relying on that as your recruiting flat doesn't work and it's been tried over and over and over.

UNI has a total of 3 FBS transfers that have a significant role (RB Dom Williams-Kansas, LG Antoine Frazier- Kansas, S Benny Sapp-Minnesota). The true high end talent at UNI is all home grown. You'll find the same thing at NDSU, SDSU, Montana, James Madison, etc...
I suppose because it was brought up a lot it seemed like there were more FBS guys on the team. It seems like UNI has had a handful of guys that were transfers for power conference schools over the years.
 
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Just saw us at #8 on ESPN’s promo for the Cyhawk game during the OleMiss/Louisville game, for what it’s worth.

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You're preaching to the wrong crowd. Matt Campbell and staff doesn't take a back seat to anybody when it comes to developing talent.

FWIW the fundamentals for those teams are crazy strong and it's a big reason why they hang around the FBS teams.

Imo ISU fundamentally usually takes about 3 games which is pretty baffling. And at times the lack of fundamentals has been the difference.
 

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