Williams & Blum Pod: Licking our wounds ... up next, Vegas

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OK, I haven't yet listened to the podcast, so feel free to ignore this. Campbell's clearly done a great job building ISU's FB program and is a great leader, but he has a ways to go to be an excellent coach --> 1) SPECIAL TEAMS, and 2) Offensive strategy.

Name one excellent coach whose teams are consistently terrible at special teams. Bet you can't do it. With all the talk CMC gives to details, margins, ... ad nauseum, how does he appear to treat special teams as the unwanted step child who's simply dealt with in a manner where Coach hopes it's not too bad of a screw-up?
 

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So you just admitted we can either beat Iowa or attempt to have success in the rest of the season. Not both. I could not disagree more. In prior years, I equated early season struggles to a building program that is continually putting in new/better parts until we reach a level of consistency. We should have been there this year - virtually the entire team was returning. We Sh** stomped Oregon in the bowl. New year - same Oregon team sh** stomps OSU on the road missing their 2 best players; we just played at home with everybody starting and the offense litterally decided to collectively not give a rats ***. That is not a coaching problem, that is a player problem - specifically offensive player problem.

That's not what I said or meant. Beating Iowa is great, but it's not necessary for success on the whole season. It's exactly one game in September before the rest of the season unfolds. Seeing (what I was able to watch; bad streaming) ISU come out and flail around again was disappointing but not just because it was Iowa. ISU would have looked bad vs. about anyone the other day because that's pretty typical for their first two games in any of the last 5 (now 6) seasons, and really, not all that unusual in other eras.

It is certainly on the players, but if you don't think coaching has influenced how ISU has started that's kind of incredible.
 

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I’ve been told over and over again how great our new conference is.
If you seriously can't get over the new big 12 and the reality of the situation that ISU is in conference wise, why are you even an Iowa State fan? Get over it and make the best out of it like Pollard and the administration are going to do. Nobody feels sorry for us so we might as well not feel sorry for ourselves
 

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Not returning punts was a cute novelty - just Campbell being conservative! - but it's costing us a chance to win games, doubly so now that the offense is struggling.


I like most of what you said, so I can't give you a "disagree," except for this part. We may have lots of issues, but not returning kicks is not one of them. Our experience in the Camping World Bowl cured me of that once and for all.
 

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It's a little disturbing that so many people on here talk about Campbell "wearing a little thin" and ******** about him in general. I would think after 5 years, we'd realize that you have to take the good with the bad and that the good FAR outweighs the bad.

I hope you all are happy when he leaves.
 

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If you seriously can't get over the new big 12 and the reality of the situation that ISU is in conference wise, why are you even an Iowa State fan? Get over it and make the best out of it like Pollard and the administration are going to do. Nobody feels sorry for us so we might as well not feel sorry for ourselves

If you can't get over losing to Iowa and the reality of the situation, why is anyone an Iowa State fan? Complaining about the conference is just as useless as complaining about Campbell's coaching.
 

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That's not what I said or meant. Beating Iowa is great, but it's not necessary for success on the whole season. It's exactly one game in September before the rest of the season unfolds. Seeing (what I was able to watch; bad streaming) ISU come out and flail around again was disappointing but not just because it was Iowa. ISU would have looked bad vs. about anyone the other day because that's pretty typical for their first two games in any of the last 5 (now 6) seasons, and really, not all that unusual in other eras.

It is certainly on the players, but if you don't think coaching has influenced how ISU has started that's kind of incredible.
Most seasons I would agree it is not 'necessary' for ISU to beat Iowa to have a great season; however this season I believe is different. Not just a majority but most all of the team back from a very successful 2020 campaign, GameDay gracing us with their pressence for a second time in 3 yrs and bringing significant national attention to the game, the ongoing problems of the Big 12's long term existence which impacts us if we don't perform, continued building of financial resources when programs are taken to the next level, and I could go on and on. This was an important game for a multitude of reasons and not just another non-conference game in any old year. If CMC and staff did not understand this then I would agree there is a coaching attitude problem.

With that being said, given what was on the line for us and the sheer number of returning players from an extremely successful campaign, our very experienced team should have been able to win this game even with a pretty vanilla game plan. The defense clearly came to play and showed that they may have even taken another step forward from what was a successful year last yr. But on offense and ST this is what we saw:
1) Punt returns still pathetic (hello Milton your job is to catch the ball - doubt the coaches told him to just watch it bounce)
2) A line that could not physically take it to Iowa. If not now with all the depth and experience, then when?? U did it to Oregon in January....
3) Wide recievers not running strong crips routes - thus no separation. Iowa's does not have a secondary full of 1st round picks, they are good but not nearly that good. Coaches are not telling them to keep the defender right by you. Your were able to get open against OU and Oregon.
4) Quarterback who simply looks lost which is almost unbelievable given he is now a 4 year starter. Someone who now seems to refuse to run when needed (and I don't want to hear the excuse the coaches are not letting him - he is a 4 yr starter, are they suddenly going to bench him if he runs a few times haha).
5) Quarterback whose arm strength has not improved in 4 years and continues to throw off his back foot. I doubt the coaches are teaching him that move. And being in a strength program at a P5 school and you can't improve arm strength just a little - amazing.
6) Quarterback who is not capable of reading the field. I refuse to believe the only routes being run (and thus having to throw the ball) are to the outside and sidelines. That is not what I am seeing on TV, but that is where the ball continually is going.
7) A running back who was absolute money last yr not seeing holes properly and losely carrying the ball? The Heisman is not only out of the question, but his pro stock is sliding as fast as the stock market did during the pandemic.

The coaching staff is not teaching these offensive players to play what I just described - at least I hope not and will given them the low bar benefit of the doubt on that.
 
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I want to win that Cy-Hawk game, but this season is a long ways from being over. ISU should have a good chance to play again for the Big12 title. It's alright to be disappointed and frustrated with MC, but keep it in perspective and understand that he has dramatically changed this program.
 

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It's a little disturbing that so many people on here talk about Campbell "wearing a little thin" and ******** about him in general. I would think after 5 years, we'd realize that you have to take the good with the bad and that the good FAR outweighs the bad.

I hope you all are happy when he leaves.

GTFO with this, and if you're going to lie about what I said at least have the guts to reply directly.
 

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Honestly some people on this forum have selective **** memory. We have been a mediocre football program for most of our history. It wasn’t that long ago we were barely winning 2 games.

Last year we had one of our best years ever, we made a lot of progress and it was a successful season. Despite that this team and it’s coaches are still in uncharted territory when it comes to having the target on their backs and big expectations, with everybody coming back it’s easy to get excited but for those of you that have been saying college football playoff for the last year in my opinion are the ones that have blindly consumed all the hype without any rational thought….and it highlights a fan base that is also in uncharted territory. We shouldn’t even be bringing up the thought of a college football playoff until we can win a big 12 championship first. That goal is still attainable. I predicted a 9-3 10-2 type season and I knew as soon as we lost the first game people were going to overreact like they always do.

The way we lost to Iowa sucks, I’m sick of it too….But then to turn on the team and it’s staff after what they’ve accomplished so far in their tenure especially looking at the history of our program ….is huge overreaction.

It’s a long long long season. adjustments will be made, staff and players are fully aware of their shortcomings and what they need to fix. When the team turns it around the people that have been the most harsh should just shut the hell up for the remainder of the year. I have full confidence this staff will get it right in the long run and the September frustrations will be turned around in the future.
 

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In most seasons Iowa isn't a make or break game. This year it absolutely was. When your goals include CFP, every game ends up being Game of the Century. Now they have to win out to have a chance at it.
You are soooo right on the money re Game of the Century......
 

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If you can't get over losing to Iowa and the reality of the situation, why is anyone an Iowa State fan? Complaining about the conference is just as useless as complaining about Campbell's coaching.
Your the one complaining about the conference lol. I'll be an Iowa State fan if they go 0-12 every year. Good to know they have to beat Iowa for you to be an Iowa State fan. I've been told 10 times to push ignore with jsb, officially doing it this time
 
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I AGREE GUNNERCLONE...If CMC doesn't know now that he can't beat Iowa and Ferentz... USING THEIR GAME PLAN.....HE WILL NEVER BEAT IOWA ....AND OF COURSE THAT MAKES LITTLE BROTHER LOOK EVEN LITTLER IN THE EYES OF THE SQUAWKEYES
If CMC/Tom Manning don't come up with a better game plan, and we don't eliminate turnovers, and Kirk Ferentz and Co are still at the helm, it will be difficult for ISU to break the streak.
 

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If CMC/Tom Manning don't come up with a better game plan, and we don't eliminate turnovers, and Kirk Ferentz and Co are still at the helm, it will be difficult for ISU to break the streak.
I can't see this coaching staff ever BREAKING THIS CURRENT STREAK....
 

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If CMC/Tom Manning don't come up with a better game plan, and we don't eliminate turnovers, and Kirk Ferentz and Co are still at the helm, it will be difficult for ISU to break the streak.

and while that might suck. It is what it is snd there’s nothing fans can do about it. We shouldn’t complain about things we cannot change.
 
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and while that might suck. It is what it is snd there’s nothing fans can do about it. We shouldn’t complain about things we cannot change.
It's like dating a woman/man and complaining they have pointy elbows/skinny calves or something like that when the rest is extremely nice. We can't change that, and this is the best we have ever been so lets enjoy it.
 

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My 14 year old had a douche start to get in his face while just watching the game in the 4th. This kid(whatever you may think of me) Is by far the nicest kid I have ever met (I tell him at times he needs to stick up for himself and not just be nice) and doesn’t trash talk. So I know he did t say anything to this chubby douche. One more step and he could have been sent back down where he came from.

These loser hawks like to go crazy on social media, jump young kids, or try to go 5 on 1; bunch of cowards that run away when it’s one on one though.

I am so sorry your child experienced that too. The ones that we get at the top of the south end zone all have bottles they brought in and are mean childish drunks. They like to throw things over the stadium wall. Their comments to the boy were filled with foul language as well as an Andy Fails bent about quit cheering for your team because we will abuse you and you deserve it. I told the dad to just take him down to hillside, I hope he did. He loves learning about football
 

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I am so sorry your child experienced that too. The ones that we get at the top of the south end zone all have bottles they brought in and are mean childish drunks. They like to throw things over the stadium wall. Their comments to the boy were filled with foul language as well as an Andy Fails bent about quit cheering for your team because we will abuse you and you deserve it. I told the dad to just take him down to hillside, I hope he did. He loves learning about football
Good or bad my son gets the crap at school from one of his teachers, so he was used to it some. Said he can't get his work done in class because the purple hawk is nonstop running his mouth. Never had someone move towards him so he probably didn't understand the situation. When I noticed what was happening, I looked over and chubby went up the steps. I would guess him to be mid 20s. For those that don't have kids, they may not understand how protection mode works in a dad. Several hawkeye fans sitting close and they just sat there and said nothing. If any ISU fan says anything to kids, I jump them and tell them to shut up and leave kids out of it.

Thank you for your words, btw.