Purdy.....

[Cyinthenorth]

Brock is really good still. I don't think this loss is on his shoulders. But...

There has been some regression.
He has been pressing a lot this year.
He is being overcoached.

I've mentioned before where it seems like his career arc is eerily similar to the guy whose records he has broke, Bret Meyer. Emerged onto the scene as a FR and looked amazing, but gradually saw his play diminish as his weapons graduated and teams got more film on him. It sucks to say, but maybe Brock is really nothing more than a nice college QB. That's really not bad for ISU though, considering we've had a total of 4 of those, including Brock, in the last 25 years.

 

[deadeyededric]

Brock is really good still. I don't think this loss is on his shoulders. But...

There has been some regression.
He has been pressing a lot this year.
He is being overcoached.

I've mentioned before where it seems like his career arc is eerily similar to the guy whose records he has broke, Bret Meyer. Emerged onto the scene as a FR and looked amazing, but gradually saw his play diminish as his weapons graduated and teams got more film on him. It sucks to say, but maybe Brock is really nothing more than a nice college QB. That's really not bad for ISU though, considering we've had a total of 4 of those, including Brock, in the last 25 years.

I think more than anything people have figured out our offense.

 

[CyBobby]

If the offensive line was any good we could just run the ball 40 times a game and play defense. Just pass the ball off of RPO's.

I AGREE this offensive line is NOT VERY GOOD.....

 

[CyBobby]

I think more than anything people have figured out our offense.

If you want to beat our offense....JUST KEEP PURDY IN THE POCKET!!! It seems to work every time!

 

[CyBobby]

He’s also added more muscle mass. And I’m wondering if it was too much. He looks slower than he used to be. Does anyone else notice that?

I think you are onto something Purdy doesn't seem to have the speed to run to the boundary like he did last season...I think he along with some other players got INJURED IN FALL PRACTICE AND ARE STILL NOT COMPLETELY HEALTHY....

 

[WhoISthis]

I think more than anything people have figured out our offense.

Manning ain’t one of those people.

We never really had an offense imo. This staff wants ball control but they can’t develop and teach it. Having horrendous ST is the most obvious, but it’s present on offense too.

We have a mediocre integration of plays, with at times enough individual talent to overcome the poor play sequence or capitalize when a defense has execution problems.

They’ve limited Purdy in pursuit of something they don’t know, resulting in a easy to defend, mistake prone senior QB with an average arm. They’ve got a line that needs nuance from the OC that thinks we can bully ball, and that he can call such a game .

 

[CoachHines3]

I hope we go to Dekkers before it's too late. And I hate saying that because I love Brock.

i think we would go to Dekkers if he was better than Purdy. Maybe he is and it’s the infinity campbell has to Purdy. Idk.
Purdy wasn’t bad yesterday, I didn’t think. Outside a couple missed throws.

 

[isufanz1]

i think we would go to Dekkers if he was better than Purdy. Maybe he is and it’s the infinity campbell has to Purdy. Idk.
Purdy wasn’t bad yesterday, I didn’t think. Outside a couple missed throws.

We had a back go for 190 yrds and a defense give up only 24 pts (and only 3 in the second half). What more do people expect? ST and Purdy were the problem yesterday and have been for most of our losses the last 3 yrs.

 

[CoachHines3]

We had a back go for 190 yrds and a defense give up only 24 pts (and only 3 in the second half). What more do people expect? ST and Purdy were the problem yesterday and have been for most of our losses the last 3 yrs.

what did Purdy do that was so bad that it caused us not to win the game?

I get he missed a couple of throws. That happens. The interception.. was it his fault? Probably not.

I’m not saying he’s been playing fantastic but I can’t put the blame for the loss on him.

 

[Kaner04]

what did Purdy do that was so bad that it caused us not to win the game?

I get he missed a couple of throws. That happens. The interception.. was it his fault? Probably not.

I’m not saying he’s been playing fantastic but I can’t put the blame for the loss on him.

The blame is squarely on the shoulders of kick/ punt return defense and Manning putting purdy under center when we have maybe done that 3 times ever and none this year

 

[isufanz1]

what did Purdy do that was so bad that it caused us not to win the game?

I get he missed a couple of throws. That happens. The interception.. was it his fault? Probably not.

I’m not saying he’s been playing fantastic but I can’t put the blame for the loss on him.

LIke I said - we had a back go for 190 so rushing was not the issue. Line played OK if we had a back go for 190. On the passing game side, we had 263, but 65% of those went to TE and another 20% to our back. Literally 15% of our passing yrds went to WR. TE are Brocks warm baby blanket. I won't argue that the WR core are world beaters, but it is ridiculous that only 15% of our passing yrds went to them. Brock is not able to hit open receivers when they are there, has way too many balls tipped at the LOS, cannot lead a WR to be open with a throw, really can't throw for more than 20 yards or so accurately, and seems to have problems going to progression reads. That is my problem with him.

 

[Kaner04]

LIke I said - we had a back go for 190 so rushing was not the issue. Line played OK if we had a back go for 190. On the passing game side, we had 263, but 65% of those went to TE and another 20% to our back. Literally 15% of our passing yrds went to WR. TE are Brocks warm baby blanket. I won't argue that the WR core are world beaters, but it is ridiculous that only 15% of our passing yrds went to them. Brock is not able to hit open receivers when they are there, has way too many balls tipped at the LOS, cannot lead a WR to be open with a thow, really can't throw for more than 20 yards or so accurately, and seems to have problems going to progression reads. That is my problem with him.

Maybe. Just maybe the TEs and Hutch were the only people open. For Christ’s sake Chase Allen had 98 yards. Only way that happens is if he’s wide open all game.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Pass protection isn't that bad. He's not on time and he is having problems with throwing lanes.

 

[cyatheart]

It’s a total team failure, it’s not one guy. Especially the Baylor loss, total team loss.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

LIke I said - we had a back go for 190 so rushing was not the issue. Line played OK if we had a back go for 190. On the passing game side, we had 263, but 65% of those went to TE and another 20% to our back. Literally 15% of our passing yrds went to WR. TE are Brocks warm baby blanket. I won't argue that the WR core are world beaters, but it is ridiculous that only 15% of our passing yrds went to them. Brock is not able to hit open receivers when they are there, has way too many balls tipped at the LOS, cannot lead a WR to be open with a throw, really can't throw for more than 20 yards or so accurately, and seems to have problems going to progression reads. That is my problem with him.

Brock doesn't throw to WRs on this team because they are all slow and never open outside of Hutchinson. Scates seems to have the physical gifts but has no awareness. Other than that, the WR corps is just kind of lousy imo

 

[isufanz1]

Brock doesn't throw to WRs on this team because they are all slow and never open outside of Hutchinson. Scates seems to have the physical gifts but has no awareness. Other than that, the WR corps is just kind of lousy imo

Well it can be pretty tough to get open when your QB does not have a strong enough arm to throw accurately beyond 20 or so yards. The short routes are usually the area for TEs and RBs. Hutchinson is a quality receiver but is a deep threat and Brock simply does not have the arm to hit him with regularity. You can't expect to get people open (especially WR) when they are all bunched up in the 5-20 yard area because the QB is not accurate beyond.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

Brock doesn't throw to WRs on this team because they are all slow and never open outside of Hutchinson. Scates seems to have the physical gifts but has no awareness. Other than that, the WR corps is just kind of lousy imo

What has stuck with me is when Allen lazard talked about having to learn do so many technical things to actually be successful in the pro game. Statements like that made me wonder why he hadn't been coached on that level of detail before. It has, in combination with the quality of the product on the field, given me the opinion that our WR coaches just aren't very good at improving players beyond how they walk into the program.

 

[Cfinnerty16]

It’s a total team failure, it’s not one guy. Especially the Baylor loss, total team loss.

I would exclude Breece from this one, he made things happen when nothing was there.

 

[Skyh13]

What has stuck with me is when Allen lazard talked about having to learn do so many technical things to actually be successful in the pro game. Statements like that made me wonder why he hadn't been coached on that level of detail before. It has, in combination with the quality of the product on the field, given me the opinion that our WR coaches just aren't very good at improving players beyond how they walk into the program.

Its possible that’s the case, but I think people continually discount just how big a difference there is between college and the pros. Its a massive, massive difference, and it’s why you see big-time, high profile college players still flame out all the time. No matter how good you are at college, there’s still gonna be a lot you have to do to improve your game if you want to be successful at the next level.

 

[Beyerball]

This loss was not on B Purdy at all...He did more than enough to win that game...mostly. Not saying he's been perfect at all..

We have to get other players involved in this KU game...Intentionally get Noel or Milton the ball more and start introducing some2 RB sets more...With Sanders or Silas involved more...These RB's have speed and quickness to the edge.

We are making the field way too compact.