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Sure. But if you have 8 team divisions, only base the CCG criteria on your division games. Then the unbalanced out of division schedules don't matter

This is actually a good idea, and more accurately represents the reality of larger conferences. When you can’t play *everybody* (or almost everybody) in your conference, at least you compete against your division - and use those results to get a qualifier for the conference championship game.

I like it.
 
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This. I can’t believe people don’t remember the idiots from past realignment times. This guy was definitely one of them. Knew nothing at all. Just threw crap out there.

Re-alignment talk is like gambling takes. It is for entertainment purposes only. You should not take any of it as a certainty and you absolutely should not be making any decisions based on what you hear on the internet.

If you treat it like entertainment and not news, it makes it fun and not stressful.
 

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I agree that this guy is just throwing sh!t at the wall but if anyone thinks the B1G and Pac sit this thing out you are crazy. It's becoming clearer and clearer that the Pac can't afford to not be proactive. Again, things will remain static until OU and Texas settle up and then it will be open season.
 

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If you all have been reading/listening to the interviews conducted by those in power in the Big 10, the guy is not far off.

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Maybe I am missing something. What does Big10 hiring an OSU Doc have to do with making money?

TV Rights money is more than programming an event. Sure hoops can be integral to rights fees because teams play 32 games a season, but for the Networks ratings matter for $ they can charge advertisers.

It's been a few months, but the most watched MBB game last season had like 2M viewers and it was a preseason game with teams like Duke/MSU/KU.

It would be interesting to see viewership # on BTN MBB & WBB basketball games.
 
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Maybe I am missing something. What does Big10 hiring an OSU Doc have to do with making money?

TV Rights money is more than programming an event. Sure hoops can be integral to rights fees because teams play 32 games a season, but for the Networks ratings matter for $ they can charge advertisers.

It's been a few months, but the most watched MBB game last season had like 2M viewers and it was a preseason game with teams like Duke/MSU/KU.

It would be interesting to see viewership # on BTN MBB & WBB basketball games.
Third bullet point on that tweet is what you should look at
 

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There is no bragging rights for protected rivals, because it is irrelevant from a W/L standpoint and determining CCG teams.

It would just mean a school like Iowa would play the 3 protected rivals every year (aka Huskers, Gophers and Illini). They would then play the other Big10 teams on a rotating basis. This would allow Big10 to dump divisions and have 2 best teams play for CCG.

Best of both worlds- teams continue to play their biggest rival each year AND Big10 CCG matches 2 best teams.

IMO CCG are a waste if playoff expands to 12 teams.

I agree CCG's are a waste in an expanded playoffs but especially the B1G & SEC don't think so and won't let them go due to the amount they get paid for them and their greed. Then add the amount they could command for 2 conference semi-final games and they probably won't let them go because each of those leagues get to monetize their own conference playoffs.

They wouldn't be a waste if we got down to a P4 of 72 teams or so, and then the 4 winners just advance to the CFP. Then conference playoffs can be expanded to 6 or 8.
 
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You don't have to explain to me how you think your vision would work. I know. This is a money making scheme, and always has been for the last 20 years. Divisions with "Division Champs" is far more marketable than your version which produces a single champion for the conference at the end of the day. Division champ looks better than 4th place. This will absolutely emulate the NFL, the most profitable version of american football. There is no reason to do what you propose.
There is a reason to do it if you have a SINGLE set of conference standings so you can take the 4 highest teams and not be necessarily limited to 1 team from each scheduling pod.
 

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Third bullet point on that tweet is what you should look at

So what does he mean? That schools like Duke & KU are near the top of expansion candidates because of hoops tradition even though they suck in FB. Or is he saying having solid programs in FB & BB will give schools a leg up - aka ISU and Virginia.

IMO it still seems like AAU status will be main driver for Big10 and even Pac12.

His statement on hoops may be based in the ability to monetize MBB/WBB from a subscription standpoint. Are fans more likely to pay $200-$250/year to watch 40-50 of their schools MBB&WBB games vs. paying similar $ for a handful of FB games?
 

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So what does he mean? That schools like Duke & KU are near the top of expansion candidates because of hoops tradition even though they suck in FB. Or is he saying having solid programs in FB & BB will give schools a leg up - aka ISU and Virginia.

IMO it still seems like AAU status will be main driver for Big10 and even Pac12.

His statement in hoops may be based in the ability to monetize MBB/WBB from a subscription standpoint. Are fans more likely to pay $200-$250/year to watch 40-50 of their schools MBB&WBB games vs. paying similar $ for a handful of FB games?

Just my opinion here, but I think one way the B10 can get ahead of the SEC is by pursuing a “total package” type of strategy. Academics, Olympic sports, basketball, research, football, arts, etc. They aren’t just going to look at football as the be all end all of their realignment strategy which is very big ten of them. I think it allows them to stay competitive with the SEC but also be able to keep their pinkies in the air over the heads of the dumb southerners and that’s important to their base.
 

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I agree that this guy is just throwing sh!t at the wall but if anyone thinks the B1G and Pac sit this thing out you are crazy. It's becoming clearer and clearer that the Pac can't afford to not be proactive. Again, things will remain static until OU and Texas settle up and then it will be open season.

Seems pretty clear to me that the Pac-12 is pinning its hopes on The Alliance. There is a reason their commissioner is by far the most vocal about it and will tell anyone who listens that they want to do 8+1+1 scheduling.

If the Pac-12 gets what they want from The Alliance then they don't really have a need to do anything else; if they don't get that - which would make sense, since the B1G does not benefit from doing what the Pac wants here - then it's a different story. But I think we have to wait and see about The Alliance, not just OU and Texas.
 

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Everyone has known since the beginning that the B1G will expand. There’s just no reason to do it now. It’ll be much closer to the end of their media contract. They aren’t going to poach Iowa State and Kansas until they see when Oklahoma and Texas get out and what kind of fees and legal action comes from it. It will more than likely be a few more years before the B1G makes a move.
 

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Seems pretty clear to me that the Pac-12 is pinning its hopes on The Alliance. There is a reason their commissioner is by far the most vocal about it and will tell anyone who listens that they want to do 8+1+1 scheduling.

If the Pac-12 gets what they want from The Alliance then they don't really have a need to do anything else; if they don't get that - which would make sense, since the B1G does not benefit from doing what the Pac wants here - then it's a different story. But I think we have to wait and see about The Alliance, not just OU and Texas.

The "alliance" isn't going to pay the PAC's bills though. That was 100% a SEC playoff expansion roadblock. Nothing less nothing more.
 

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I agree CCG's are a waste in an expanded playoffs but especially the B1G & SEC don't think so and won't let them go due to the amount they get paid for them and their greed. Then add the amount they could command for 2 conference semi-final games and they probably won't let them go because each of those leagues get to monetize their own conference playoffs.

They wouldn't be a waste if we got down to a P4 of 72 teams or so, and then the 4 winners just advance to the CFP. Then conference playoffs can be expanded to 6 or 8.

Agree. But there may be a way to make the "divisional" CCG round as part of a playoff somehow. That would bump the value of those games. That giant Altimore consulting report had a crazy playoff / CCGs idea laid out in it.