Maybe some perspective

[jsb]

Maybe its because after being a Cyclone Fan for 59 years ....I am so Tired Of LOSING to teams with three wins and four losses....

I know we hate to have any perspective around here after a loss, but as I was replying to this comment I started to wonder.

I've read lots of similar comments to the one above after the West Virginia game. Some people think we won't win another game. One person literally thinks it was the worst loss in school history. Some are freaking out that teams have figured us out and the fact that we beat Oklahoma State means nothing. It's all very exhausting.

So I thought I'd go back and look at our conferences losses since 2017. I'm not taking into account non-conference losses (Iowa) because that is its own can of worms and frankly I don't give a **** if we lose to Iowa.

2017, we lost to:
Texas (was the Jacob Park game, so this one hardly counts, I don't think the Campbell era really started until the next week)-Texas finished the season with 7 wins
West Virginia-finished the season with 7 wins (and Kempt was hurt)
Oklahoma State-finished the season with 10 wins
Kansas State-finished the season with 8 wins (and that was the picked up flag game)

2018, we lost to:
Oklahoma-finished with 12 wins
TCU-finished with 7 wins (again this was a Zeb game, before Brock took over)
Texas-finished with 10 wins

2019, we lost to:
Baylor-finished with 11 wins
Oklahoma State-finished with 8 wins
Kansas State-finished with 8 wins
Oklahoma-finished with 12 wins

2020, we lost to:
Oklahoma State-finished with 8 wins (and played less than 12 games)
Oklahoma-finished with 9 wins (and played less than 12 games)

AND THAT IS IT. We aren't the team like CyBobby claims loses to 3 win teams any more. We just aren't. All of the teams that we lost to in that stretch made bowl games. Some weren't great teams, but they were all solid teams. Some of the time, we lost to those not-great teams for understandable reasons. And in all of those seasons (except for maybe 2019), we also managed to BEAT very good teams. We beat top 10 teams in Oklahoma and TCU and West Virginia and Oklahoma State. We beat ranked teams in Oklahoma and I think Texas Tech in 2017 and our nemesis Kansas State. And we ALWAYS beat the teams that we were clearly better than.

Saturday sucked. It sucked that it happened when the Big 12 championship was a big possibility. It sucked that it happened with this senior class that has brought us so much fun and success. But part off becoming a truly great program means that occasionally you are going to have a what the **** loss. You don't have those types of losses unless you are a program that expects to win.

I have no idea what will happen the rest of the way. Maybe the team is tired and kind of tosses the rest of the season. Maybe ******* West Virginia really did reveal how to beat us. Maybe we will win the next 4 and get to 9 wins. Or maybe it will be a mix.

But either way, this game was bound to happen at some point and I appreciate the fact that we've had so few of them over the last 5 years. Pretty damn cool if you ask me.

 

[ClonesInDallas]

This is rich. Of all people to use another's post to pump perspective, you are the last one on here that should be doing this.

 

[jsb]

This is rich. Of all people to use another's post to pump perspective, you are the last one on here that should be doing this.

Do you want to argue with the merits of my post?

 

[MartyFine]

 

[iowastatefan1929]

These are the glory years. Yet misery levels seems to be about the same as any other time. The Fiesta Bowl win will be a pinnacle hard to top, hopefully they do but if CMC leaves time to crawl into a hole and never come back out.

 

[madguy30]

*raises hand*
I don't think WV is that bad as they've been close in most games and put it together Saturday.

I'd guess they get at least two more wins and get into a bowl.

Let's see what Saturday brings.

 

[SolarGarlic]

These are the glory years. Yet misery levels seems to be about the same as any other time. The Fiesta Bowl win will be a pinnacle hard to top, hopefully they do but if CMC leaves time to crawl into a hole and never come back out.

Apathy is much worse than misery in terms of program health. Our frustration is a result of higher expectations. Back off the ledge. A win on Saturday, and we'll be back to feeling like the Big 12 CG is a possibility. It's the nature of fanaticism.

 

[quasistellar]

I've said this before in other situations: it's not really that we lost, it's HOW we lost, and the situation surrounding it. It's extra frustrating this year due to expectations and seeming lack of improvement (or even regression) with same players and staff.

 

[Land Grant]

Apathy is much worse than misery in terms of program health. Our frustration is a result of higher expectations. Back off the ledge. A win on Saturday, and we'll be back to feeling like the Big 12 CG is a possibility. It's the nature of fanaticism.

A win may make things feel a bit brighter. But for me the CG will not enter the picture again, even if it remains a mathematical possibility. This team is not CG worthy for whatever reason.

 

[SolarGarlic]

A win may make things feel a bit brighter. But for me the CG will not enter the picture again, even if it remains a mathematical possibility. This team is not CG worthy for whatever reason.

I get that. It would be more of a function of the remaining schedule and OU looking beatable. We could talk ourselves into winning those three given a good performance against Texas.

 

[JM4CY]

I've said it in another thread but coming out scorched earth on Texas and giving it to them raw for 4 quarters would go a LONG way to smooth things out.

 

[jsb]

I've said this before in other situations: it's not really that we lost, it's HOW we lost, and the situation surrounding it. It's extra frustrating this year due to expectations and seeming lack of improvement (or even regression) with same players and staff.

but that’s my point. This hasn’t happened much. It’s not some systematic issue at this point. It’s much more likely to be a ****** fluke based on 4 plus years of results.

 

[Jerms]

We have the same record right now as Clemson and Penn State. Beginning of the year that was thought of as 3 possible playoff teams. Sure they aren’t having the year they hoped for either, but sometimes **** happens. I think we’ll be alright.

 

[quasistellar]

terrible comparison. PSU and Clemson can reload way easier.

 

[jsb]

terrible comparison. PSU and Clemson can reload way easier.

It was about expectations. Not if this was our only chance.

 

[Jerms]

terrible comparison. PSU and Clemson can reload way easier.

Complete whiff on my point, but sure.

 

[CycloneVet]

The problem with Saturday was we didn’t play well, but we played well enough to get out of there with a win. Those calls were wrong and it cost us big time.

 

[Jerms]

Along those lines though, Campbell continues get get higher rated classes. Who knows how these young guys will turn out or if everything will come together again like last year, but it should be fun finding out. Future still looks bright.

 

[gordocyclone]

I know we hate to have any perspective around here after a loss, but as I was replying to this comment I started to wonder.

I've read lots of similar comments to the one above after the West Virginia game. Some people think we won't win another game. One person literally thinks it was the worst loss in school history. Some are freaking out that teams have figured us out and the fact that we beat Oklahoma State means nothing. It's all very exhausting.

So I thought I'd go back and look at our conferences losses since 2017. I'm not taking into account non-conference losses (Iowa) because that is its own can of worms and frankly I don't give a **** if we lose to Iowa.

2017, we lost to:
Texas (was the Jacob Park game, so this one hardly counts, I don't think the Campbell era really started until the next week)-Texas finished the season with 7 wins
West Virginia-finished the season with 7 wins (and Kempt was hurt)
Oklahoma State-finished the season with 10 wins
Kansas State-finished the season with 8 wins (and that was the picked up flag game)

2018, we lost to:
Oklahoma-finished with 12 wins
TCU-finished with 7 wins (again this was a Zeb game, before Brock took over)
Texas-finished with 10 wins

2019, we lost to:
Baylor-finished with 11 wins
Oklahoma State-finished with 8 wins
Kansas State-finished with 8 wins
Oklahoma-finished with 12 wins

2020, we lost to:
Oklahoma State-finished with 8 wins (and played less than 12 games)
Oklahoma-finished with 9 wins (and played less than 12 games)

AND THAT IS IT. We aren't the team like CyBobby claims loses to 3 win teams any more. We just aren't. All of the teams that we lost to in that stretch made bowl games. Some weren't great teams, but they were all solid teams. Some of the time, we lost to those not-great teams for understandable reasons. And in all of those seasons (except for maybe 2019), we also managed to BEAT very good teams. We beat top 10 teams in Oklahoma and TCU and West Virginia and Oklahoma State. We beat ranked teams in Oklahoma and I think Texas Tech in 2017 and our nemesis Kansas State. And we ALWAYS beat the teams that we were clearly better than.

Saturday sucked. It sucked that it happened when the Big 12 championship was a big possibility. It sucked that it happened with this senior class that has brought us so much fun and success. But part off becoming a truly great program means that occasionally you are going to have a what the **** loss. You don't have those types of losses unless you are a program that expects to win.

I have no idea what will happen the rest of the way. Maybe the team is tired and kind of tosses the rest of the season. Maybe ******* West Virginia really did reveal how to beat us. Maybe we will win the next 4 and get to 9 wins. Or maybe it will be a mix.

But either way, this game was bound to happen at some point and I appreciate the fact that we've had so few of them over the last 5 years. Pretty damn cool if you ask me.

 

[joefrog]

I've said it in another thread but coming out scorched earth on Texas and giving it to them raw for 4 quarters would go a LONG way to smooth things out.

While I would love for that to happen, I do still detect some KF in CMC. Just get the win, instead of video game it and rack up both the points and the stats.